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From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: libvir-list@redhat.com, Jiri Denemark <jdenemar@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] Modern CPU models cannot be used with libvirt
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:00:45 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120326160045.GO9375@otherpad.lan.raisama.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120325101913.GK22368@redhat.com>

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 12:19:13PM +0200, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> > (That's why I said that perhaps keymaps could become configuration
> > someday. Because maybe they can be converted to a key=value model
> > relatively easily)
> > 
> Such whole sale approach is harmful since it starts to affect design
> decisions. So now if it seams logical to move something outside the code
> one can decide against it just because it will become "configuration"
> due to that design.

This is one point I agree completely with.

There's no reason to couple the decision to "move something to an
external file" with making changes to the Qemu external interfaces.

We should be able to gradually move things to be "data" without breaking
the expectations of libvirt at the same time. We must be able to make a
gradual design change, where we first move data to an external file
without making that change visible to the outside, then slowly try to
make it part of the user-visible configuration (that means making
externally visible interface changes, something that has to be made much
more carefully than just moving "internal data" around). Anthony seems
to be simply rejecting the possibility of doing this gradual change[1].

[1] I still need to read this whole thread, so sorry if I am wrong.

-- 
Eduardo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-03-26 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-15 14:54 [Qemu-devel] Modern CPU models cannot be used with libvirt Jiri Denemark
2011-12-15 14:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-15 15:30   ` Jiri Denemark
2011-12-18 10:07     ` Dor Laor
2011-12-15 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-12-18  9:58   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-09 20:56     ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-09 21:04       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-09 21:15         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-10  4:37           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-11 11:45           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-10 12:42         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-10 15:58           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-10 18:24             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-10 18:37               ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-10 22:39               ` Doug Goldstein
2012-03-11  0:55               ` Andrew Cathrow
2012-03-11 13:27               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-11 14:12                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-11 14:56                   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-11 15:33                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-11 16:16                       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 14:48                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 15:16                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 15:49                         ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-12 16:50                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 17:41                             ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-12 17:47                               ` Peter Maydell
2012-03-12 17:53                                 ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-12 17:55                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 17:59                                   ` Alexander Graf
2012-03-12 17:52                               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 18:30                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 18:42                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 18:53                       ` Itamar Heim
2012-03-12 19:01                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 19:12                           ` Itamar Heim
2012-03-12 19:50                             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 20:00                               ` Itamar Heim
2012-03-12 20:19                               ` Ayal Baron
2012-03-13  8:32                                 ` Itamar Heim
2012-03-14  0:11                                   ` Ayal Baron
2012-03-12 12:52                   ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 13:04                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-12 13:15                       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 13:32                         ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-12 13:34                           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 13:50                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-12 13:53                           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 13:55                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-12 14:01                               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 13:21                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 13:26                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 16:06                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-11 12:41             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-11 14:16               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-11 15:12                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-11 15:41                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-11 16:27                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-12 13:08                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-13 14:53                       ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-22  9:32                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-22 13:31                           ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-22 14:30                             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-22 15:50                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-25 10:19                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 13:09                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 14:46                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 15:06                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 16:34                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-26 16:00                                   ` Eduardo Habkost [this message]
2012-03-22 16:37                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-22 17:14                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-22 20:01                               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25  9:49                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 12:55                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 13:08                                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 13:12                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 13:14                                         ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 13:22                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 13:34                                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 14:36                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 14:46                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 14:59                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 15:16                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 15:26                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 15:40                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 18:11                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-26  9:08                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-26  9:53                                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-26 19:03                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-28  9:55                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-26 16:34                                                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-26 11:24                                                         ` Jiri Denemark
2012-03-26 11:59                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-26 12:03                                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-26 16:14                                                               ` Eduardo Habkost
2012-03-26 19:04                                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 14:58                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-03-25 15:07                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 15:18                                               ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 15:30                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 15:45                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-25 18:01                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-25 18:09                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-26 19:00                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-28  9:59                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-20 18:59       ` Eduardo Habkost

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