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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>
Cc: huang ying <huang.ying.caritas@gmail.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	ming.m.lin@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, Zheng Yan <zheng.z.yan@intel.com>,
	Lan Tianyu <tianyu.lan@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 2/5] PM, Add sysfs file power_off to control device power off policy
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 23:34:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201205082334.58157.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1336441458.6190.133.camel@yhuang-dev>

On Tuesday, May 08, 2012, Huang Ying wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 22:53 +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 05, 2012, huang ying wrote:
> > > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl> wrote:
> > > > On Friday, May 04, 2012, Huang Ying wrote:
> > > >> From: Lan Tianyu <tianyu.lan@intel.com>
[...]
> > I think we may add helpers for exporting/unexporting power_off_allowed
> > like for the PM QoS latency attribute.  Then, whoever wants to support
> > power_off_allowed and use it will export it through that helper.
> 
> That sounds good!
> 
> > Still, I'm afraid we're trying to special case something that really ins't
> > a special case.  Namely, we may want to restrict devices from using some
> > other low-power states as well, not only power off (eg. we may want to
> > prevent devices' clocks from being stopped).
> 
> One step towards generalization is to provide a way for user to specify
> lowest power state allowed.  For example, for PCI devices, they can
> specify D1, D2, D3hot or D3cold.  But it is hard to generalize a set of
> low power states for all kind of devices.  Maybe we should keep this
> user space interface bus specific?

I came to the same conclusion. :-)

Besides, we already have the no_d1d2 and d1_support, d2_support flags
in struct pci_dev.  We can simply add no_d3_cold in analogy and add a similar
thing for ATA to cover the ZPODD case.

I would keep those things bus-type-specific and platform-specific.

> For example, we can have a sysfs file like "lowest_pm_state_allowed" for each
> PCI devices.

I'm not sure if that's going to be sufficient, because some devices appear to
have problems with _intermediate_ low-power states.

> BTW:  I wonder that are there standard low power states defined for
> devices on platform bus.

Not that I know of.

Thanks,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-08 21:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-04  8:13 [RFC v2 0/5] PCIe, Add PCIe runtime D3cold support Huang Ying
2012-05-04  8:13 ` [RFC v2 1/5] PM, Runtime, Add power_must_be_on flag Huang Ying
2012-05-04 19:37   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-05  5:15     ` huang ying
2012-05-07 20:33       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-04 19:50   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2012-05-05  5:59     ` huang ying
2012-05-07 20:37       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-04  8:13 ` [RFC v2 2/5] PM, Add sysfs file power_off to control device power off policy Huang Ying
2012-05-04 19:33   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-05  6:29     ` huang ying
2012-05-07 20:53       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-08  1:44         ` Huang Ying
2012-05-08 21:34           ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2012-05-09  6:46             ` Huang Ying
2012-05-09 10:38               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-10  0:55                 ` Huang Ying
2012-05-10 14:48                   ` Alan Stern
2012-05-10 19:03                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-04 19:50   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2012-05-04 21:00     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-05  6:36     ` huang ying
2012-05-04  8:13 ` [RFC v2 3/5] PCIe, Add runtime PM support to PCIe port Huang Ying
2012-05-04 19:43   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-05  6:46     ` huang ying
2012-05-07 21:00       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-11  7:57         ` Huang Ying
2012-05-11 18:44           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-04 19:50   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2012-05-04 20:55     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-05  6:54       ` huang ying
2012-05-07 21:06         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-05  6:53     ` huang ying
2012-05-04  8:13 ` [RFC v2 4/5] ACPI, PM, Specify lowest allowed state for device sleep state Huang Ying
2012-05-04 20:10   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-05  7:25     ` huang ying
2012-05-07 21:15       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-08  1:49         ` Huang Ying
2012-05-04  8:13 ` [RFC v2 5/5] PCIe, Add PCIe runtime D3cold support Huang Ying
2012-05-04 19:51   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2012-05-05  7:34     ` huang ying
2012-05-04 20:50   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-05  8:08     ` huang ying
2012-05-07 21:22       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-05-08  2:22         ` Huang Ying
2012-05-08  8:34           ` Huang Ying
2012-05-10 19:28             ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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