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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: david@lang.hm
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@amd64.org>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@openvz.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	richard -rw- weinberger <richard.weinberger@gmail.com>,
	"Myklebust, Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <greg@kroah.com>,
	Ubuntu Kernel Team <kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com>,
	Debian Kernel Team <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org>,
	OpenSUSE Kernel Team <opensuse-kernel@opensuse.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
	Asias He <asias.hejun@gmail.com>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>
Subject: Re: [opensuse-kernel] Re: [RFC] Simplifying kernel configuration for distro issues
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:04:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120718070458.GA10357@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1207161451020.32545@asgard.lang.hm>


* david@lang.hm <david@lang.hm> wrote:

> > Anybody who says "I want to run Fedora without SELINUX 
> > because I do my own security development" is by *definition* 
> > not relevant to the whole feature.
> 
> Don't mistake the example for the feature. the SELINUX thing 
> is just an example. As Alan Cox commented, taking a distro 
> config and disabling one thing is a common troubleshooting 
> request from kernel developers.

It's still irrelevant:

 - if a user chooses a distro config it means that he is using 
   that distro. Disabling an essential component of the distro 
   config, even if a kernel developer asks for it, will likely 
   break that distro and is thus a dumb thing to do. (the
   typical user will also be unlikely to be *able* to edit a 
   .config and make sure it works.)

 - Furthermore, there's *already* over ten thousand select's in 
   our Kconfig's, and it's already hard at times to disable 
   dependent options.

 - I've been using what Linus suggested for many years via 
   private patches to do bootable randconfig testing and the 
   concept works just fine - enabling a distro specific 
   minconfig is absolutely useful, I'm glad it's being pursued 
   upstream as well...

So what you are arguing about is IMO irrelevant, it is 
immaterial to the problem at hand and the concept works just 
fine in practice.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-18  7:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-13 20:37 [RFC] Simplifying kernel configuration for distro issues Linus Torvalds
2012-07-13 20:54 ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-07-13 21:41   ` [opensuse-kernel] " richard -rw- weinberger
2012-07-14 10:37     ` Borislav Petkov
2012-07-14 12:12       ` Pekka Enberg
2012-07-14 12:43         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2012-07-14 17:48           ` Borislav Petkov
2012-07-14 18:51             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2012-07-14 19:51               ` david
2012-07-19 14:42             ` Steven Rostedt
2012-07-19 16:48               ` Borislav Petkov
2012-07-19 17:02                 ` Steven Rostedt
2012-07-19 17:34                   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-07-19 17:57                     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-07-19 18:09                       ` Borislav Petkov
2012-07-19 17:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-19 17:53                   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-07-19 18:42                     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-07-15 10:14         ` Borislav Petkov
2012-07-15 10:17           ` Pekka Enberg
2012-07-15 21:18             ` Borislav Petkov
2012-07-15 21:48               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2012-07-15 22:09                 ` david
2012-07-15 22:22                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2012-07-15 23:06                     ` david
2012-07-16  8:24                   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-07-16 16:43                     ` david
2012-07-16 16:50                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-16 19:26                         ` david
2012-07-16 20:56                           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-16 22:21                             ` david
2012-07-18  7:04                               ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2012-07-18  8:42                                 ` david
2012-07-18  9:13                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2012-07-17  8:03                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-07-19 16:01                               ` Michal Marek
2012-07-16 17:01                     ` Alan Cox
2012-07-16 17:05                       ` david
2012-07-13 21:02 ` Dave Jones
2012-07-13 21:17   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-13 22:26     ` Josh Boyer
2012-07-19 15:26     ` Steven Rostedt
2012-07-19 15:43       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-19 16:12         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-07-19 15:45       ` Josh Boyer
2012-07-19 16:08         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-07-19 17:19           ` Josh Boyer
2012-07-19 17:30             ` Alan Cox
2012-07-19 17:38               ` Josh Boyer
2012-07-19 21:13               ` Ben Hutchings
2012-07-20  2:44                 ` david
2012-07-19 17:33             ` Steven Rostedt
2012-07-19 17:41               ` Alan Cox
2012-07-19 17:56               ` Josh Boyer
2012-07-19 18:13                 ` Steven Rostedt
2012-07-19 18:36                   ` Josh Boyer
2012-07-19 21:04                     ` david
2012-07-19 22:35                       ` Josh Boyer
2012-07-19 22:49                         ` Steven Rostedt
2012-07-21 20:47                 ` valdis.kletnieks
2012-07-19 18:20             ` Paul Bolle
2012-07-19 18:22               ` Josh Boyer
2012-07-19 18:49                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-07-19 18:55                   ` Paul Bolle
2012-07-19 21:30                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-07-13 21:29   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-07-13 21:50   ` Paul Bolle
2012-07-13 21:55     ` Dave Jones
2012-07-13 22:11       ` Tony Luck
2012-07-13 22:20       ` Paul Bolle
2012-07-13 23:07       ` Frank Rowand
2012-07-13 21:06 ` Khalid Aziz
2012-07-13 21:17 ` Casey Schaufler
2012-07-13 21:20   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-13 22:13     ` david
2012-07-13 21:59 ` Hans de Bruin
2012-07-13 22:33 ` Jesper Juhl
2012-07-13 22:46   ` david
2012-07-14  9:44   ` Olivier Galibert
2012-07-14  4:18 ` Ben Hutchings
2012-07-14 12:35   ` Josh Boyer
2012-07-19  1:48 ` Steven Yong
2012-07-20  9:47 ` Jiri Kosina
2012-07-20 10:26   ` Sam Ravnborg
     [not found] <CC2A171A.580D%torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
2012-07-16 18:30 ` [opensuse-kernel] " Benjamin Beurdouche

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