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From: "Henrik Rydberg" <rydberg@euromail.se>
To: "Chung-Yih Wang (王崇懿)" <cywang@google.com>
Cc: Chase Douglas <chase.douglas@canonical.com>,
	Daniel Kurtz <djkurtz@chromium.org>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	JJ Ding <dgdunix@gmail.com>,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Input: synaptics - use firmware data for Cr-48
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:25:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120720072510.GA986@polaris.bitmath.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM2ehZaLeJsxCOkqLv9jSko9y3Awix1jjobfTo5WQj8rcrYquA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:14:25AM +0800, Chung-Yih Wang (王崇懿) wrote:
> From our experiments, the assumption of "the slowest corner is the
> stationary finger" is not always true. That is the major reason we want to
> report the firmware data instead of semi-mt.

Oh, but that was precisely the point; the reason it does not hold true
is due to sensor and discretization errors. If we can improve upon
this situation, we get a better model of reality.

> The problem here will be how
> to remove the pulling effect, we measured the pulling effect before and can
> not get a good result as there could be IIR in firmware as well. It seems
> not an easy job to remove the pulling effect cleanly.

Probably a simple filter will work. If the bounding box is moving too
fast for the tracked point to stay in the right corner, the solution
is to use a smaller time step. In practise, keeping the tracked point
as a state in the driver, and updating the bounding box using box ->
(1 - m) box + m box_new. If the tracked point is in the right corner,
let m = 1. If not, choose a smaller m.

> > > * Add a new device property (INVALID_Y_AXIS_CROSSING?) that
> > > describes the exact behavior of this device. I would be ok with this
> > > if everyone else is, but only because proper clickpad behavior
> > > (which I consider very importand) is broken without this knowledge.
> >
> Sounds good to me(but I would rather to have INVALID_CROSSING instead,
> depending on the relative finger positions,  it could still have wrong
> tracking either in X or Y axis crossing)

Propagating information about various sensor defects to userspace
sounds horrid to me. The sooner we can forget about these devices, the
better.

> > > * Leave the device as SEMI_MT, but provide the real locations, and
> > > allow userspace to determine the device vendor/model/etc. If
> > > userspace knows that a specific device behaves in a specific way, it
> > > can do its own quirking handling. Given the specificity of this
> > > behavior to only some devices of one brand, this would be my
> > > suggested resolution to the issue.
> >
> 
> A bit confused here, do you mean we report the real locations instead of
> bounding box the current driver have? I am not quite sure if this will
> affect other existing works in userspace for this semi-mt driver.

I am not entirely opposed to this solution, but I would much rather
see an attempt to improve the bounding box in the driver, since such a
solution could be useful for other devices as well.

Thanks,
Henrik

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From: "Henrik Rydberg" <rydberg@euromail.se>
To: "Chung-Yih Wang (王崇懿)" <cywang@google.com>
Cc: Chase Douglas <chase.douglas@canonical.com>,
	Daniel Kurtz <djkurtz@chromium.org>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	JJ Ding <dgdunix@gmail.com>,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Input: synaptics - use firmware data for Cr-48
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:25:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120720072510.GA986@polaris.bitmath.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM2ehZaLeJsxCOkqLv9jSko9y3Awix1jjobfTo5WQj8rcrYquA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:14:25AM +0800, Chung-Yih Wang (王崇懿) wrote:
> From our experiments, the assumption of "the slowest corner is the
> stationary finger" is not always true. That is the major reason we want to
> report the firmware data instead of semi-mt.

Oh, but that was precisely the point; the reason it does not hold true
is due to sensor and discretization errors. If we can improve upon
this situation, we get a better model of reality.

> The problem here will be how
> to remove the pulling effect, we measured the pulling effect before and can
> not get a good result as there could be IIR in firmware as well. It seems
> not an easy job to remove the pulling effect cleanly.

Probably a simple filter will work. If the bounding box is moving too
fast for the tracked point to stay in the right corner, the solution
is to use a smaller time step. In practise, keeping the tracked point
as a state in the driver, and updating the bounding box using box ->
(1 - m) box + m box_new. If the tracked point is in the right corner,
let m = 1. If not, choose a smaller m.

> > > * Add a new device property (INVALID_Y_AXIS_CROSSING?) that
> > > describes the exact behavior of this device. I would be ok with this
> > > if everyone else is, but only because proper clickpad behavior
> > > (which I consider very importand) is broken without this knowledge.
> >
> Sounds good to me(but I would rather to have INVALID_CROSSING instead,
> depending on the relative finger positions,  it could still have wrong
> tracking either in X or Y axis crossing)

Propagating information about various sensor defects to userspace
sounds horrid to me. The sooner we can forget about these devices, the
better.

> > > * Leave the device as SEMI_MT, but provide the real locations, and
> > > allow userspace to determine the device vendor/model/etc. If
> > > userspace knows that a specific device behaves in a specific way, it
> > > can do its own quirking handling. Given the specificity of this
> > > behavior to only some devices of one brand, this would be my
> > > suggested resolution to the issue.
> >
> 
> A bit confused here, do you mean we report the real locations instead of
> bounding box the current driver have? I am not quite sure if this will
> affect other existing works in userspace for this semi-mt driver.

I am not entirely opposed to this solution, but I would much rather
see an attempt to improve the bounding box in the driver, since such a
solution could be useful for other devices as well.

Thanks,
Henrik
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-07-20  7:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-18 10:22 [PATCH v2] Input: synaptics - use firmware data for Cr-48 Chung-yih Wang
2012-07-18 15:38 ` Chase Douglas
     [not found]   ` <CAM2ehZbftDja6CBGjhL3Jp+30DtYJj+8_4e=_wWcj3pCDGD7AA@mail.gmail.com>
2012-07-19  6:42     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-07-19  6:42       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2012-07-19 13:14     ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-07-19 16:16     ` Chase Douglas
2012-07-19 16:16       ` Chase Douglas
2012-07-19 17:05       ` Daniel Kurtz
2012-07-19 17:05         ` Daniel Kurtz
2012-07-19 17:34         ` Chase Douglas
2012-07-19 17:34           ` Chase Douglas
2012-07-19 18:44           ` Henrik Rydberg
     [not found]             ` <CAM2ehZaLeJsxCOkqLv9jSko9y3Awix1jjobfTo5WQj8rcrYquA@mail.gmail.com>
2012-07-20  7:25               ` Henrik Rydberg [this message]
2012-07-20  7:25                 ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-07-20  9:03                 ` Daniel Kurtz
2012-07-20  9:03                   ` Daniel Kurtz
2012-07-20 13:03                   ` Henrik Rydberg
2012-07-20 18:31                   ` Chase Douglas
2012-07-27 10:40                     ` Daniel Kurtz

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