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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: Excessive stall times on ext4 in 3.9-rc2
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:45:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130412094532.GH11656@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130411183512.GA12298@thunk.org>

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 02:35:12PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 06:04:02PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > > If we're stalling on lock_buffer(), that implies that buffer was being
> > > written, and for some reason it was taking a very long time to
> > > complete.
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > > It might be worthwhile to put a timestamp in struct dm_crypt_io, and
> > > record the time when a particular I/O encryption/decryption is getting
> > > queued to the kcryptd workqueues, and when they finally squirt out.
> > > 
> > 
> > That somewhat assumes that dm_crypt was at fault which is not unreasonable
> > but I was skeptical as the workload on dm_crypt was opening a maildir
> > and mostly reads.
> 
> Hmm... well, I've reviewed all of the places in the ext4 and jbd2
> layer where we call lock_buffer(), and with one exception[1] we're not
> holding the the bh locked any longer than necessary.  There are a few
> places where we grab a spinlock or two before we can do what we need
> to do and then release the lock'ed buffer head, but the only time we
> hold the bh locked for long periods of time is when we submit metadata
> blocks for I/O.
> 

Yeah, ok. This is not the answer I was hoping for but it's the answer I
expected.

> Could you code which checks the hold time of lock_buffer(), measuing
> from when the lock is successfully grabbed, to see if you can see if I
> missed some code path in ext4 or jbd2 where the bh is locked and then
> there is some call to some function which needs to block for some
> random reason?
>
> What I'd suggest is putting a timestamp in buffer_head
> structure, which is set by lock_buffer once it is successfully grabbed
> the lock, and then in unlock_buffer(), if it is held for more than a
> second or some such, to dump out the stack trace.
> 

I can do that but the results might lack meaning. What I could do instead
is use a variation of the page owner tracking patch (current iteration at
https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/7/487) to record a stack trace in lock_buffer
and dump it from jbd2/transaction.c if it stalls for too long. I'll report
if I find something useful.

> Because at this point, either I'm missing something or I'm beginning
> to suspect that your hard drive (or maybe something the block layer?)
> is simply taking a long time to service an I/O request. 

It could be because the drive is a piece of crap.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: Excessive stall times on ext4 in 3.9-rc2
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:45:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130412094532.GH11656@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130411183512.GA12298@thunk.org>

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 02:35:12PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 06:04:02PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > > If we're stalling on lock_buffer(), that implies that buffer was being
> > > written, and for some reason it was taking a very long time to
> > > complete.
> > > 
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > > It might be worthwhile to put a timestamp in struct dm_crypt_io, and
> > > record the time when a particular I/O encryption/decryption is getting
> > > queued to the kcryptd workqueues, and when they finally squirt out.
> > > 
> > 
> > That somewhat assumes that dm_crypt was at fault which is not unreasonable
> > but I was skeptical as the workload on dm_crypt was opening a maildir
> > and mostly reads.
> 
> Hmm... well, I've reviewed all of the places in the ext4 and jbd2
> layer where we call lock_buffer(), and with one exception[1] we're not
> holding the the bh locked any longer than necessary.  There are a few
> places where we grab a spinlock or two before we can do what we need
> to do and then release the lock'ed buffer head, but the only time we
> hold the bh locked for long periods of time is when we submit metadata
> blocks for I/O.
> 

Yeah, ok. This is not the answer I was hoping for but it's the answer I
expected.

> Could you code which checks the hold time of lock_buffer(), measuing
> from when the lock is successfully grabbed, to see if you can see if I
> missed some code path in ext4 or jbd2 where the bh is locked and then
> there is some call to some function which needs to block for some
> random reason?
>
> What I'd suggest is putting a timestamp in buffer_head
> structure, which is set by lock_buffer once it is successfully grabbed
> the lock, and then in unlock_buffer(), if it is held for more than a
> second or some such, to dump out the stack trace.
> 

I can do that but the results might lack meaning. What I could do instead
is use a variation of the page owner tracking patch (current iteration at
https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/7/487) to record a stack trace in lock_buffer
and dump it from jbd2/transaction.c if it stalls for too long. I'll report
if I find something useful.

> Because at this point, either I'm missing something or I'm beginning
> to suspect that your hard drive (or maybe something the block layer?)
> is simply taking a long time to service an I/O request. 

It could be because the drive is a piece of crap.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-12  9:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-02 14:27 Excessive stall times on ext4 in 3.9-rc2 Mel Gorman
2013-04-02 14:27 ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-02 15:00 ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-02 15:00   ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-02 15:03 ` Zheng Liu
2013-04-02 15:03   ` Zheng Liu
2013-04-02 15:15   ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-02 15:15     ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-02 15:06 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-02 15:06   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-02 15:14   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-02 15:14     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-02 18:19     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-02 18:19       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-07 21:59       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2013-04-07 21:59         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2013-04-08  8:36         ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-08  8:36           ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-08 10:52           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2013-04-08 10:52             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2013-04-08 11:01         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-08 11:01           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-03 10:19     ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-03 10:19       ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-03 12:05       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-03 12:05         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-03 15:15         ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-05 22:18       ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-05 22:18         ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-05 23:16         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-05 23:16           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-06  7:29           ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-06  7:29             ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-06  7:37             ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-06  7:37               ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-06  8:19               ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-06 13:15             ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-06 13:15               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-10 10:56   ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-10 10:56     ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-10 13:12     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-10 13:12       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-11 17:04       ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-11 17:04         ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-11 18:35         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-11 18:35           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-11 21:33           ` Jan Kara
2013-04-11 21:33             ` Jan Kara
2013-04-12  2:57             ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-12  2:57               ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-12  4:50               ` Dave Chinner
2013-04-12  4:50                 ` Dave Chinner
2013-04-12 15:19                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-12 15:19                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-13  1:23                   ` Dave Chinner
2013-04-13  1:23                     ` Dave Chinner
2013-04-22 14:38                   ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-22 14:38                     ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-22 22:42                     ` Jeff Moyer
2013-04-22 22:42                       ` Jeff Moyer
2013-04-23  0:02                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-23  0:02                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-23  9:31                       ` Jan Kara
2013-04-23  9:31                         ` Jan Kara
2013-04-23 14:01                       ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-23 14:01                         ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-24 19:09                         ` Jeff Moyer
2013-04-24 19:09                           ` Jeff Moyer
2013-04-25 12:21                           ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-25 12:21                             ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-12  9:47               ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-12  9:47                 ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-21  0:05                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-21  0:05                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-21  0:07                   ` [PATCH 1/3] ext4: mark all metadata I/O with REQ_META Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-21  0:07                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-21  0:07                     ` [PATCH 2/3] buffer: add BH_Prio and BH_Meta flags Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-21  0:07                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-21  0:07                     ` [PATCH 3/3] ext4: mark metadata blocks using bh flags Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-21  0:07                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-21  6:09                       ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-21  6:09                         ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-21  6:09                         ` Jiri Slaby
2013-04-21 19:55                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-21 19:55                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-21 19:55                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-21 20:48                           ` [PATCH 3/3 -v2] " Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-21 20:48                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-21 20:48                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-22 12:06                     ` [PATCH 1/3] ext4: mark all metadata I/O with REQ_META Zheng Liu
2013-04-22 12:06                       ` Zheng Liu
2013-04-23 15:33                   ` Excessive stall times on ext4 in 3.9-rc2 Mel Gorman
2013-04-23 15:33                     ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-23 15:50                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-23 15:50                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-23 16:13                       ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-23 16:13                         ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-12 10:18               ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2013-04-12 10:18                 ` Tvrtko Ursulin
2013-04-12  9:45           ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2013-04-12  9:45             ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-02 23:16 ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-02 23:16   ` Theodore Ts'o
2013-04-03 15:22   ` Mel Gorman
2013-04-03 15:22     ` Mel Gorman

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