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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: "Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <brouer@redhat.com>,
	"David Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
	j.vimal@gmail.com, "Michal Soltys" <soltys@ziu.info>,
	"Mike Frysinger" <vapier@gentoo.org>,
	"Jussi Kivilinna" <jussi.kivilinna@mbnet.fi>,
	"Patrick McHardy" <kaber@trash.net>,
	"Jiri Pirko" <jpirko@redhat.com>,
	"Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>,
	"Dave Taht" <dave.taht@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net,
	"Dan Siemon" <dan@coverfire.com>,
	"Jim Gettys" <jg@freedesktop.org>,
	"Steven Barth" <cyrus@openwrt.org>,
	"Felix Fietkau" <nbd@nbd.name>, "Jiri Benc" <jbenc@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: tc linklayer ADSL calc broken after commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:50:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130529155034.334092c5@nehalam.linuxnetplumber.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1369842724.5109.44.camel@edumazet-glaptop>

On Wed, 29 May 2013 08:52:04 -0700
Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 15:13 +0200, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> > I recently discovered that the (traffic control) tc linklayer
> > calculations for ATM/ADSL have been broken by:
> >  commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates).
> > 
> > Thus, people shaping on ADSL links, using e.g.:
> >  tc class add ... htb rate X ceil Y linklayer atm overhead 10
> > 
> > Will no-longer get ATM cell tax/overhead adjusted.
> > 
> > How can we solve/fix this?
> > Perhaps we can change to use the "stab" system instead (as it does
> > not seem to be broken by the commit).
> > 
> > But how do we facilitate a change to use "stab" system (for all the
> > scripts using the old option)?
> > 
> > Can we change the iproute2/tc command to handle this transparently, or
> > should we give an error/warning if someone uses "tc" and "linklayer" on
> > a kernel above v.3.8. ?
> > 
> > 
> > History:
> >  - My linklayer ATM changes appeared in kernel 2.6.24 (and iproute2 2.6.25)
> >  - The STAB changes appeared in kernel 2.6.27
> > 
> 
> Hi Jesper
> 
> stab suffers from the same problem : its table driven, so works only for
> packet smaller than a given size.
> 
> I am not sure it will solve the ATM logic (with the 5 bytes overhead per
> 48 bytes cell)
> 
> btw, even on old kernels :


How bad is the failure? If it is fixed, will it break existing installations?

Which probably means, is anyone but the original developers ever using it
and therefore likely to notice?

  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-29 22:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-29 13:13 tc linklayer ADSL calc broken after commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates) Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-29 15:52 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-05-29 22:50   ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2013-05-29 23:18     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-05-30  9:15       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-30  9:52         ` [Bloat] " Steinar H. Gunderson
     [not found]     ` <20130529155034.334092c5-We1ePj4FEcvRI77zikRAJc56i+j3xesD0e7PPNI6Mm0@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-30  0:34       ` Dave Taht
2013-05-30  8:09     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-30  7:51   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-30 14:39     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-05-30 15:55       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-30 16:29         ` Jussi Kivilinna
2013-06-02 21:15 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-02 21:33   ` [PATCH iproute2] htb: report overhead attribute Eric Dumazet
2013-06-03 15:45     ` Rick Jones
2013-06-03 15:56       ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 11:11         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-06-04 13:58           ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 15:08             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-06-03 19:50       ` Jussi Kivilinna
2013-06-07 15:56     ` Stephen Hemminger
2013-06-07 16:00       ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 12:13 ` Bad shaping at low rates, after commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates) Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-06-04 15:18   ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 15:55     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 16:02       ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 17:11         ` [PATCH] net_sched: htb: do not mix 1ns and 64ns time units Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 20:21           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
     [not found]             ` <20130604222135.67eedab8-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-04 20:26               ` Dave Taht
2013-06-04 21:02                 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 20:50             ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-05  0:44           ` David Miller
2013-06-06 13:55 ` RFC: Proposed fix for tc linklayer calc broken after commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates) Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-06-06 14:28   ` Eric Dumazet

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