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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Hillf Danton <dhillf@gmail.com>, Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>,
	Ning Qu <quning@google.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/23] radix-tree: implement preload for multiple contiguous elements
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:17:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130806201709.GA11383@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130806163414.GA4707@linux.intel.com>

On Tue 06-08-13 12:34:14, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 01:17:39PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Sun 04-08-13 05:17:03, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> > > From: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
> > > The radix tree is variable-height, so an insert operation not only has
> > > to build the branch to its corresponding item, it also has to build the
> > > branch to existing items if the size has to be increased (by
> > > radix_tree_extend).
> > > @@ -82,16 +82,24 @@ static struct kmem_cache *radix_tree_node_cachep;
> > >   * The worst case is a zero height tree with just a single item at index 0,
> > >   * and then inserting an item at index ULONG_MAX. This requires 2 new branches
> > >   * of RADIX_TREE_MAX_PATH size to be created, with only the root node shared.
> > > + *
> > > + * Worst case for adding N contiguous items is adding entries at indexes
> > > + * (ULONG_MAX - N) to ULONG_MAX. It requires nodes to insert single worst-case
> > > + * item plus extra nodes if you cross the boundary from one node to the next.
> > > + *
> > >   * Hence:
> > >   */
> > > -#define RADIX_TREE_PRELOAD_SIZE (RADIX_TREE_MAX_PATH * 2 - 1)
> > > +#define RADIX_TREE_PRELOAD_MIN (RADIX_TREE_MAX_PATH * 2 - 1)
> > > +#define RADIX_TREE_PRELOAD_MAX \
> > > +	(RADIX_TREE_PRELOAD_MIN + \
> > > +	 DIV_ROUND_UP(RADIX_TREE_PRELOAD_NR - 1, RADIX_TREE_MAP_SIZE))
> >
> >   Umm, is this really correct? I see two problems:
> > 1) You may need internal tree nodes at various levels but you seem to
> > account only for the level 1.
> > 2) The rounding doesn't seem right because RADIX_TREE_MAP_SIZE+2 nodes may
> > require 3 nodes at level 1 if the indexes are like:
> > i_0 | i_1 .. i_{RADIX_TREE_MAP_SIZE} | i_{RADIX_TREE_MAP_SIZE+1}
> >     ^                                ^
> >     node boundary                    node boundary
> > 
> >   Otherwise the patch looks good.
> 
> You are correct that in the fully general case, these things are needed,
> and the patch undercounts the number of nodes needed.  However, in the
> specific case of THP pagecache, insertions are naturally aligned, and
> we end up needing very few internal nodes (so few that we've never hit
> the end of this array in some fairly heavy testing).
  Have you checked that you really didn't hit end of the array? Because if
we run out of preloaded nodes, we just try atomic kmalloc to get new
nodes. And that has high chances of success...

> There are two penalties for getting the general case correct.  One is
> that the calculation becomes harder to understand, and the other is
> that we consume more per-CPU memory.  I think we should document that
> the current code requires "natural alignment", and include a note about
> what things will need to change in order to support arbitrary alignment
> in case anybody needs to do it in the future, but not include support
> for arbitrary alignment in this patchset.
> 
> What do you think?
  I'm OK with expecting things to be naturally aligned if that's documented
and there's WARN_ON_ONCE which checks that someone isn't misusing the code.
It is true that you actually implemented only 'maybe_preload' variant for
contiguous extent preloading so leaving out higher level nodes might be OK.
But it would be good to at least document this at the place where you
estimate how much nodes to preload.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Hillf Danton <dhillf@gmail.com>, Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>,
	Ning Qu <quning@google.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/23] radix-tree: implement preload for multiple contiguous elements
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 22:17:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130806201709.GA11383@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130806163414.GA4707@linux.intel.com>

On Tue 06-08-13 12:34:14, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 01:17:39PM +0200, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Sun 04-08-13 05:17:03, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> > > From: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
> > > The radix tree is variable-height, so an insert operation not only has
> > > to build the branch to its corresponding item, it also has to build the
> > > branch to existing items if the size has to be increased (by
> > > radix_tree_extend).
> > > @@ -82,16 +82,24 @@ static struct kmem_cache *radix_tree_node_cachep;
> > >   * The worst case is a zero height tree with just a single item at index 0,
> > >   * and then inserting an item at index ULONG_MAX. This requires 2 new branches
> > >   * of RADIX_TREE_MAX_PATH size to be created, with only the root node shared.
> > > + *
> > > + * Worst case for adding N contiguous items is adding entries at indexes
> > > + * (ULONG_MAX - N) to ULONG_MAX. It requires nodes to insert single worst-case
> > > + * item plus extra nodes if you cross the boundary from one node to the next.
> > > + *
> > >   * Hence:
> > >   */
> > > -#define RADIX_TREE_PRELOAD_SIZE (RADIX_TREE_MAX_PATH * 2 - 1)
> > > +#define RADIX_TREE_PRELOAD_MIN (RADIX_TREE_MAX_PATH * 2 - 1)
> > > +#define RADIX_TREE_PRELOAD_MAX \
> > > +	(RADIX_TREE_PRELOAD_MIN + \
> > > +	 DIV_ROUND_UP(RADIX_TREE_PRELOAD_NR - 1, RADIX_TREE_MAP_SIZE))
> >
> >   Umm, is this really correct? I see two problems:
> > 1) You may need internal tree nodes at various levels but you seem to
> > account only for the level 1.
> > 2) The rounding doesn't seem right because RADIX_TREE_MAP_SIZE+2 nodes may
> > require 3 nodes at level 1 if the indexes are like:
> > i_0 | i_1 .. i_{RADIX_TREE_MAP_SIZE} | i_{RADIX_TREE_MAP_SIZE+1}
> >     ^                                ^
> >     node boundary                    node boundary
> > 
> >   Otherwise the patch looks good.
> 
> You are correct that in the fully general case, these things are needed,
> and the patch undercounts the number of nodes needed.  However, in the
> specific case of THP pagecache, insertions are naturally aligned, and
> we end up needing very few internal nodes (so few that we've never hit
> the end of this array in some fairly heavy testing).
  Have you checked that you really didn't hit end of the array? Because if
we run out of preloaded nodes, we just try atomic kmalloc to get new
nodes. And that has high chances of success...

> There are two penalties for getting the general case correct.  One is
> that the calculation becomes harder to understand, and the other is
> that we consume more per-CPU memory.  I think we should document that
> the current code requires "natural alignment", and include a note about
> what things will need to change in order to support arbitrary alignment
> in case anybody needs to do it in the future, but not include support
> for arbitrary alignment in this patchset.
> 
> What do you think?
  I'm OK with expecting things to be naturally aligned if that's documented
and there's WARN_ON_ONCE which checks that someone isn't misusing the code.
It is true that you actually implemented only 'maybe_preload' variant for
contiguous extent preloading so leaving out higher level nodes might be OK.
But it would be good to at least document this at the place where you
estimate how much nodes to preload.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

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Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-04  2:17 [PATCHv5 00/23] Transparent huge page cache: phase 1, everything but mmap() Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 01/23] radix-tree: implement preload for multiple contiguous elements Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-05 11:17   ` Jan Kara
2013-08-05 11:17     ` Jan Kara
2013-08-06 16:34     ` Matthew Wilcox
2013-08-06 16:34       ` Matthew Wilcox
2013-08-06 20:17       ` Jan Kara [this message]
2013-08-06 20:17         ` Jan Kara
2013-08-07 16:32     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-07 16:32       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-07 16:32       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-07 20:00       ` Jan Kara
2013-08-07 20:00         ` Jan Kara
2013-08-07 20:24         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-07 20:24           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-07 20:24           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-07 20:36           ` Jan Kara
2013-08-07 20:36             ` Jan Kara
2013-08-07 21:37             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-07 21:37               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-07 21:37               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-08  8:45               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-08  8:45                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-08  8:45                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-08 10:04                 ` Jan Kara
2013-08-08 10:04                   ` Jan Kara
2013-08-09 11:13                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-09 11:13                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-09 11:13                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-09 11:36                     ` Jan Kara
2013-08-09 11:36                       ` Jan Kara
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 02/23] memcg, thp: charge huge cache pages Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  8:25   ` Michal Hocko
2013-08-04  8:25     ` Michal Hocko
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 03/23] thp: compile-time and sysfs knob for thp pagecache Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-09-05 21:53   ` Ning Qu
2013-09-06 11:33     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-09-06 11:33       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-09-06 11:33       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-09-06 17:14       ` Ning Qu
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 04/23] thp, mm: introduce mapping_can_have_hugepages() predicate Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 05/23] thp: represent file thp pages in meminfo and friends Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-30 22:16   ` Ning Qu
2013-09-02 11:36     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-09-02 11:36       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-09-02 20:05       ` Ning Qu
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 06/23] thp, mm: rewrite add_to_page_cache_locked() to support huge pages Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 07/23] mm: trace filemap: dump page order Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 08/23] block: implement add_bdi_stat() Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-05 11:21   ` Jan Kara
2013-08-05 11:21     ` Jan Kara
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 09/23] thp, mm: rewrite delete_from_page_cache() to support huge pages Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 10/23] thp, mm: warn if we try to use replace_page_cache_page() with THP Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 11/23] thp, mm: handle tail pages in page_cache_get_speculative() Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 12/23] thp, mm: add event counters for huge page alloc on file write or read Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 13/23] thp, mm: allocate huge pages in grab_cache_page_write_begin() Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 14/23] thp, mm: naive support of thp in generic_perform_write Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 15/23] mm, fs: avoid page allocation beyond i_size on read Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-05  0:29   ` NeilBrown
2013-08-05  0:29     ` NeilBrown
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 16/23] thp, mm: handle transhuge pages in do_generic_file_read() Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 17/23] thp, libfs: initial thp support Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 18/23] thp: libfs: introduce simple_thp_release() Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 19/23] truncate: support huge pages Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-05 13:29   ` Jan Kara
2013-08-05 13:29     ` Jan Kara
2013-08-06 20:23   ` Dave Hansen
2013-08-06 20:23     ` Dave Hansen
2013-08-06 20:57     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-06 20:57       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-06 21:55   ` Dave Hansen
2013-08-06 21:55     ` Dave Hansen
2013-08-09 14:39     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-09 14:39       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-09 14:39       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 20/23] thp: handle file pages in split_huge_page() Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-06 19:09   ` Ning Qu
2013-08-06 21:09     ` Ning Qu
2013-08-06 21:47       ` Ning Qu
2013-08-09 14:46         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-09 14:46           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-09 14:46           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-09 14:49           ` Ning Qu
2013-08-09 21:24             ` Ning Qu
2013-08-09 21:24               ` Ning Qu
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 21/23] thp: wait_split_huge_page(): serialize over i_mmap_mutex too Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 22/23] thp, mm: split huge page on mmap file page Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-08 20:49   ` Khalid Aziz
2013-08-08 20:49     ` Khalid Aziz
2013-08-09 14:50     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-09 14:50       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17 ` [PATCH 23/23] ramfs: enable transparent huge page cache Kirill A. Shutemov
2013-08-04  2:17   ` Kirill A. Shutemov

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