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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	Paul Walmsley <paul@pwsan.com>,
	"Russell King - ARM Linux" <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] driver-core: platform: Resolve DT interrupt references late
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 17:25:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201401081725.17876.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140108155855.GA22984@ulmo.nvidia.com>

On Wednesday 08 January 2014, Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 04:11:08PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Wednesday 08 January 2014 15:55:27 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > It stands to reason that if they push back on the IOMMU variant of what
> > > is essentially the same thing, they will push back on the IRQ variant as
> > > well. One alternative I proposed was to, just as you suggested earlier,
> > > move the code into platform_drv_probe() or rather a function called from
> > > it. That proposal never got any replies, though.
> > > 
> > > 	https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/12/14/39
> > 
> > I guess putting it into the platform_drv_probe function seems reasonable,
> > I would be more scared of the implications of a notifier based method.
> 
> I fully agree. Of course if we decide against moving things into the
> core and in favour of a more generic API that drivers should use, then
> this issue goes away silently at least for resources that the driver
> needs to use explicitly (memory-mapped regions, interrupts, ...).
> 
> The issue remains for IOMMU which is meant to be used transparently
> through the DMA API. Perhaps a good compromise would be to have some
> sort of generic helper that can be called to initialize IOMMU support
> for a particular device and support probe deferral on error. Something
> like this perhaps:
> 
> 	int iommu_attach(struct device *dev);
> 	int iommu_detach(struct device *dev);
> 
> I still don't like very much how that needs to be done in each driver
> explicitly, but if we can't do it in the core, then the only other clean
> way to handle it would be to treat it like any other sort of resource
> and handle it explicitly. Perhaps handing out some sort of cookie would
> be preferable to just an error code?

The more I think about the iommu case, the more I am convinced that it
does belong into the core, in whatever form we can find. As far as I
can tell from the little reliable information I have on the topic, I
would assume that we can keep it in the DT probing code, as there won't
be a need for multiple arbitrary IOMMUs with ACPI or with board files.

> > > One downside of that approach is that, while it maps well to platform
> > > devices or generic devices that have some sort of firmware interface
> > > such as OF or ACPI, I don't see how it can be made to work with an I2C
> > > client that's registered from board setup code for example. Well, I
> > > suppose that problem could be solved by throwing another lookup table at
> > > it, just like we do for clocks, regulators, PWMs and GPIOs.
> > 
> > Wouldn't you still be able to attach resources in the traditional
> > way for those, but use the same new interface to get at them?
> 
> I wouldn't know how. For instance platform devices store the IRQ number
> within a struct resource of type IORESOURCE_IRQ, whereas I2C clients
> store them in the struct i2c_client's .irq field.

Good point, I forgot about the special case for i2c_client->irq.
I looked now and noticed that very few i2c devices actually use this
field, but larger number uses platform_data, which has a similar
problem.

> So without actually introspecting the struct device (possibly using the
> .bus field for example) and upcasting you won't know how to get at the
> resources. One possibility to remedy that would be to try and unify the
> resources within struct device. But that doesn't feel right.
> 
> One other thing I had considered at one point was to extend the bus_type
> structure and give it a way to obtain resources in a bus-specific way,
> but that feel even more wrong.
> 
> Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, though, and this is actually much
> more trivial to solve.

No trivial solution that I can see. I think we can deal with the case
where platform code uses platform_device->resources, and everything else
comes down to having multiple code branches in the driver, as we already
have to deal with platform_data and DT properties describing stuff that
doesn't fit in the resources.

	Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
To: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Paul Walmsley <paul-DWxLp4Yu+b8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux
	<linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony-4v6yS6AI5VpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Grant Likely
	<grant.likely-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-omap-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] driver-core: platform: Resolve DT interrupt references late
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 17:25:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201401081725.17876.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140108155855.GA22984-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>

On Wednesday 08 January 2014, Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 04:11:08PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Wednesday 08 January 2014 15:55:27 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > It stands to reason that if they push back on the IOMMU variant of what
> > > is essentially the same thing, they will push back on the IRQ variant as
> > > well. One alternative I proposed was to, just as you suggested earlier,
> > > move the code into platform_drv_probe() or rather a function called from
> > > it. That proposal never got any replies, though.
> > > 
> > > 	https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/12/14/39
> > 
> > I guess putting it into the platform_drv_probe function seems reasonable,
> > I would be more scared of the implications of a notifier based method.
> 
> I fully agree. Of course if we decide against moving things into the
> core and in favour of a more generic API that drivers should use, then
> this issue goes away silently at least for resources that the driver
> needs to use explicitly (memory-mapped regions, interrupts, ...).
> 
> The issue remains for IOMMU which is meant to be used transparently
> through the DMA API. Perhaps a good compromise would be to have some
> sort of generic helper that can be called to initialize IOMMU support
> for a particular device and support probe deferral on error. Something
> like this perhaps:
> 
> 	int iommu_attach(struct device *dev);
> 	int iommu_detach(struct device *dev);
> 
> I still don't like very much how that needs to be done in each driver
> explicitly, but if we can't do it in the core, then the only other clean
> way to handle it would be to treat it like any other sort of resource
> and handle it explicitly. Perhaps handing out some sort of cookie would
> be preferable to just an error code?

The more I think about the iommu case, the more I am convinced that it
does belong into the core, in whatever form we can find. As far as I
can tell from the little reliable information I have on the topic, I
would assume that we can keep it in the DT probing code, as there won't
be a need for multiple arbitrary IOMMUs with ACPI or with board files.

> > > One downside of that approach is that, while it maps well to platform
> > > devices or generic devices that have some sort of firmware interface
> > > such as OF or ACPI, I don't see how it can be made to work with an I2C
> > > client that's registered from board setup code for example. Well, I
> > > suppose that problem could be solved by throwing another lookup table at
> > > it, just like we do for clocks, regulators, PWMs and GPIOs.
> > 
> > Wouldn't you still be able to attach resources in the traditional
> > way for those, but use the same new interface to get at them?
> 
> I wouldn't know how. For instance platform devices store the IRQ number
> within a struct resource of type IORESOURCE_IRQ, whereas I2C clients
> store them in the struct i2c_client's .irq field.

Good point, I forgot about the special case for i2c_client->irq.
I looked now and noticed that very few i2c devices actually use this
field, but larger number uses platform_data, which has a similar
problem.

> So without actually introspecting the struct device (possibly using the
> .bus field for example) and upcasting you won't know how to get at the
> resources. One possibility to remedy that would be to try and unify the
> resources within struct device. But that doesn't feel right.
> 
> One other thing I had considered at one point was to extend the bus_type
> structure and give it a way to obtain resources in a bus-specific way,
> but that feel even more wrong.
> 
> Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, though, and this is actually much
> more trivial to solve.

No trivial solution that I can see. I think we can deal with the case
where platform code uses platform_device->resources, and everything else
comes down to having multiple code branches in the driver, as we already
have to deal with platform_data and DT properties describing stuff that
doesn't fit in the resources.

	Arnd
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From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] driver-core: platform: Resolve DT interrupt references late
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 17:25:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201401081725.17876.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140108155855.GA22984@ulmo.nvidia.com>

On Wednesday 08 January 2014, Thierry Reding wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 04:11:08PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Wednesday 08 January 2014 15:55:27 Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > It stands to reason that if they push back on the IOMMU variant of what
> > > is essentially the same thing, they will push back on the IRQ variant as
> > > well. One alternative I proposed was to, just as you suggested earlier,
> > > move the code into platform_drv_probe() or rather a function called from
> > > it. That proposal never got any replies, though.
> > > 
> > > 	https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/12/14/39
> > 
> > I guess putting it into the platform_drv_probe function seems reasonable,
> > I would be more scared of the implications of a notifier based method.
> 
> I fully agree. Of course if we decide against moving things into the
> core and in favour of a more generic API that drivers should use, then
> this issue goes away silently at least for resources that the driver
> needs to use explicitly (memory-mapped regions, interrupts, ...).
> 
> The issue remains for IOMMU which is meant to be used transparently
> through the DMA API. Perhaps a good compromise would be to have some
> sort of generic helper that can be called to initialize IOMMU support
> for a particular device and support probe deferral on error. Something
> like this perhaps:
> 
> 	int iommu_attach(struct device *dev);
> 	int iommu_detach(struct device *dev);
> 
> I still don't like very much how that needs to be done in each driver
> explicitly, but if we can't do it in the core, then the only other clean
> way to handle it would be to treat it like any other sort of resource
> and handle it explicitly. Perhaps handing out some sort of cookie would
> be preferable to just an error code?

The more I think about the iommu case, the more I am convinced that it
does belong into the core, in whatever form we can find. As far as I
can tell from the little reliable information I have on the topic, I
would assume that we can keep it in the DT probing code, as there won't
be a need for multiple arbitrary IOMMUs with ACPI or with board files.

> > > One downside of that approach is that, while it maps well to platform
> > > devices or generic devices that have some sort of firmware interface
> > > such as OF or ACPI, I don't see how it can be made to work with an I2C
> > > client that's registered from board setup code for example. Well, I
> > > suppose that problem could be solved by throwing another lookup table at
> > > it, just like we do for clocks, regulators, PWMs and GPIOs.
> > 
> > Wouldn't you still be able to attach resources in the traditional
> > way for those, but use the same new interface to get at them?
> 
> I wouldn't know how. For instance platform devices store the IRQ number
> within a struct resource of type IORESOURCE_IRQ, whereas I2C clients
> store them in the struct i2c_client's .irq field.

Good point, I forgot about the special case for i2c_client->irq.
I looked now and noticed that very few i2c devices actually use this
field, but larger number uses platform_data, which has a similar
problem.

> So without actually introspecting the struct device (possibly using the
> .bus field for example) and upcasting you won't know how to get at the
> resources. One possibility to remedy that would be to try and unify the
> resources within struct device. But that doesn't feel right.
> 
> One other thing I had considered at one point was to extend the bus_type
> structure and give it a way to obtain resources in a bus-specific way,
> but that feel even more wrong.
> 
> Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, though, and this is actually much
> more trivial to solve.

No trivial solution that I can see. I think we can deal with the case
where platform code uses platform_device->resources, and everything else
comes down to having multiple code branches in the driver, as we already
have to deal with platform_data and DT properties describing stuff that
doesn't fit in the resources.

	Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-08 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-23  0:43 [PATCH] of/platform: Fix no irq domain found errors when populating interrupts Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23  0:43 ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23  0:43 ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23  0:55 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-23  0:55   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-23  0:55   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-23  1:08   ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23  1:08     ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23  1:15     ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23  1:15       ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23  1:50       ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23  1:50         ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23  1:50         ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23 15:42         ` Rob Herring
2013-11-23 15:42           ` Rob Herring
2013-11-23 15:42           ` Rob Herring
2013-11-23 16:32           ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23 16:32             ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23 16:32             ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-25  9:34             ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-25  9:34               ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-25  9:34               ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-25 19:46               ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-25 19:46                 ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-25 19:46                 ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-24 21:27         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-24 21:27           ` Grant Likely
2013-12-10  3:39           ` Paul Walmsley
2013-12-10  3:39             ` Paul Walmsley
2013-12-30 22:10             ` Paul Walmsley
2013-12-30 22:10               ` Paul Walmsley
2013-12-30 22:10               ` Paul Walmsley
2013-12-31 16:33               ` Rob Herring
2013-12-31 16:33                 ` Rob Herring
2013-12-31 16:33                 ` Rob Herring
2014-01-06 23:41                 ` Paul Walmsley
2014-01-06 23:41                   ` Paul Walmsley
2014-01-06 23:41                   ` Paul Walmsley
2014-01-08  1:19                   ` Tony Lindgren
2014-01-08  1:19                     ` Tony Lindgren
2014-01-08  1:19                     ` Tony Lindgren
2014-01-08 12:51                     ` [PATCH] driver-core: platform: Resolve DT interrupt references late Thierry Reding
2014-01-08 12:51                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-01-08 13:41                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-08 13:41                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-08 13:41                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-08 14:55                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-01-08 14:55                           ` Thierry Reding
2014-01-08 15:11                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-08 15:11                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-08 15:58                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-01-08 15:58                               ` Thierry Reding
2014-01-08 16:25                               ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2014-01-08 16:25                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-08 16:25                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-08 19:59                                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-01-08 19:59                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-01-08 20:09                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-08 20:09                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-08 20:09                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-08 20:24                                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-01-08 20:24                                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-01-08 21:01                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-08 21:01                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-01-08 16:40                       ` Tony Lindgren
2014-01-08 16:40                         ` Tony Lindgren
2014-01-08 16:40                         ` Tony Lindgren
2014-01-08 19:28                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-01-08 19:28                           ` Thierry Reding
2014-01-08 19:28                           ` Thierry Reding
2014-01-08 21:43                           ` Tony Lindgren
2014-01-08 21:43                             ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23  1:07 ` [PATCH] of/platform: Fix no irq domain found errors when populating interrupts Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23  1:07   ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-23  1:07   ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-24 21:36 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-24 21:36   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-24 21:36   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-25  9:25   ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-25  9:25     ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-25  9:25     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]     ` < 20131125094954.GF22043@ulmo.nvidia.com>
2013-11-25  9:49     ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-25  9:49       ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-25  9:49       ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-25 19:50       ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-25 19:50         ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-27 15:56       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-27 15:56         ` Grant Likely
2013-11-28 15:46         ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-28 15:46           ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-28 15:46           ` Thierry Reding
2013-12-11 13:45           ` Grant Likely
2013-12-11 13:45             ` Grant Likely
2013-12-11 15:12             ` Thierry Reding
2013-12-11 15:12               ` Thierry Reding
2013-12-11 15:12               ` Thierry Reding
2013-12-11 16:43               ` Tony Lindgren
2013-12-11 16:43                 ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-27 15:54     ` Grant Likely
2013-11-27 15:54       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-27 15:54       ` Grant Likely
2013-11-27 21:53   ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-27 21:53     ` Tony Lindgren
2013-11-27 21:53     ` Tony Lindgren

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