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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
Cc: Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jirislaby@gmail.com,
	Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz>, Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 09/16] kgr: mark task_safe in some kthreads
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 17:09:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140501210943.GB28948@mtj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140501210242.GA28948@mtj.dyndns.org>

On Thu, May 01, 2014 at 05:02:42PM -0400, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, Jiri.
> 
> On Thu, May 01, 2014 at 10:17:44PM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> > I agree that this expectation might really somewhat implicit and is not 
> > probably properly documented anywhere. The basic observation is "whenever 
> > kthread_should_stop() is being called, all data structures are in a 
> > consistent state and don't need any further updates in order to achieve 
> > consistency, because we can exit the loop immediately here", as 
> > kthread_should_stop() is the very last thing every freezable kernel thread 
> 
> But kthread_should_stop() doesn't necessarily imply that "we can exit
> the loop *immediately*" at all.  It just indicates that it should
> terminate in finite amount of time.  I don't think it'd be too

Just a bit of addition.  Please note that kthread_should_stop(), along
with the freezer test, is actually trickier than it seems.  It's very
easy to write code which works most of the time but misses wake up
from kill when the timing is just right (or wrong).  It should be
interlocked with set_current_state() and other related queueing data
structure accesses.  This was several years ago but when I audited
most kthread users in kernel, especially in combination with the
freezer test which also has similar requirement, surprising percentage
of users (at least several tens of pct) were getting it slightly
wrong, so kthread_should_stop() really isn't used as "we can exit
*immediately*".  It just isn't that simple.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-01 21:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-30 14:30 [RFC 00/16] kGraft Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 01/16] ftrace: Add function to find fentry of function Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:48   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-30 14:58     ` Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 02/16] ftrace: Make ftrace_is_dead available globally Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 03/16] kgr: initial code Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:56   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-04-30 14:57     ` Jiri Slaby
2014-05-01 20:20   ` Andi Kleen
2014-05-01 20:37     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-14  9:28   ` Aravinda Prasad
2014-05-14 10:12     ` Jiri Slaby
2014-05-14 10:41       ` Aravinda Prasad
2014-05-14 10:44         ` Jiri Slaby
2014-05-14 11:19           ` Aravinda Prasad
2014-05-20 11:36     ` Jiri Slaby
2014-05-21 18:28       ` Aravinda Prasad
2014-05-26  8:50       ` Jiri Kosina
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 04/16] kgr: add testing kgraft patch Jiri Slaby
2014-05-06 11:03   ` Pavel Machek
2014-05-12 12:50     ` Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 05/16] kgr: update Kconfig documentation Jiri Slaby
2014-05-03 14:32   ` Randy Dunlap
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 06/16] kgr: add Documentation Jiri Slaby
2014-05-06 11:03   ` Pavel Machek
2014-05-09  9:31     ` kgr: dealing with optimalizations? (was Re: [RFC 06/16] kgr: add Documentat)ion Pavel Machek
2014-05-09 12:22       ` Michael Matz
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 07/16] kgr: trigger the first check earlier Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 08/16] kgr: sched.h, introduce kgr_task_safe helper Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 09/16] kgr: mark task_safe in some kthreads Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 15:49   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-04-30 16:55   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-04-30 18:33     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2014-04-30 19:07       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-01 14:24   ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-01 20:17     ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-01 21:02       ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-01 21:09         ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2014-05-14 14:59           ` Jiri Slaby
2014-05-14 15:15             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2014-05-14 15:30               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-14 16:32               ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-15  3:53                 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-15  4:06                   ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-15  4:46                     ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-15  4:50                       ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-15  5:04                         ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-15  5:09                           ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-15  5:32                             ` Mike Galbraith
2014-05-15  6:05                               ` Tejun Heo
2014-05-15  6:32                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 10/16] kgr: kthreads support Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 11/16] kgr: handle irqs Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 12/16] kgr: add tools Jiri Slaby
2014-05-06 11:03   ` Pavel Machek
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 13/16] kgr: add MAINTAINERS entry Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 14/16] kgr: x86: refuse to build without fentry support Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 15/16] kgr: add procfs interface for per-process 'kgr_in_progress' Jiri Slaby
2014-04-30 14:30 ` [RFC 16/16] kgr: make a per-process 'in progress' flag a single bit Jiri Slaby

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