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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
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	"nicolas.pitre@linaro.org" <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
	"linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org" <linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org>,
	"daniel.lezcano@linaro.org" <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 12:55:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140604105559.GM30445@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140604103619.GL29593@e103034-lin>

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On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 11:36:19AM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 11:17:24AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > Let me explain the 75%, take any one of the above scenarios. Lets call
> > the two tasks A and B, and let for a moment assume A always wins and
> > runs first, and then B.
> > 
> > So A will be runnable for 25%, B otoh will be runnable the entire time A
> > is actually running plus its own running time, giving 50%. Together that
> > makes 75%.
> > 
> > If you release the assumption that A runs first, but instead assume they
> > equally win the first execution, you get them averaging at 37.5% each,
> > which combined will still give 75%.
> 
> But that is assuming that the first task gets to run to completion of it
> busy period. If it uses up its sched_slice and we switch to the other
> tasks, they both get to wait.
> 
> For example, if the sched_slice is 5 ms and the busy period is 10 ms,
> the execution pattern would be: A, B, A, B, idle, ... In that case A is
> runnable for 15 ms and B is for 20 ms. Assuming that the overall period
> is 40 ms, the A runnable is 37.5% and B is 50%.

Indeed, with preemption added you can pull this out further. You can
then indeed get infinitesimally close to 100% with this.

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From: peterz@infradead.org (Peter Zijlstra)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 12:55:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140604105559.GM30445@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140604103619.GL29593@e103034-lin>

On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 11:36:19AM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 11:17:24AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > Let me explain the 75%, take any one of the above scenarios. Lets call
> > the two tasks A and B, and let for a moment assume A always wins and
> > runs first, and then B.
> > 
> > So A will be runnable for 25%, B otoh will be runnable the entire time A
> > is actually running plus its own running time, giving 50%. Together that
> > makes 75%.
> > 
> > If you release the assumption that A runs first, but instead assume they
> > equally win the first execution, you get them averaging at 37.5% each,
> > which combined will still give 75%.
> 
> But that is assuming that the first task gets to run to completion of it
> busy period. If it uses up its sched_slice and we switch to the other
> tasks, they both get to wait.
> 
> For example, if the sched_slice is 5 ms and the busy period is 10 ms,
> the execution pattern would be: A, B, A, B, idle, ... In that case A is
> runnable for 15 ms and B is for 20 ms. Assuming that the overall period
> is 40 ms, the A runnable is 37.5% and B is 50%.

Indeed, with preemption added you can pull this out further. You can
then indeed get infinitesimally close to 100% with this.
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Thread overview: 216+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-23 15:52 [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] sched: fix imbalance flag reset Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 10:33   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-25 10:33     ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  7:49     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  7:49       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:16       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  9:16         ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:14         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 10:14           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] sched: remove a wake_affine condition Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 12:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 12:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:19     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:19       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 16:14         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 16:14           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28  6:49           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28  6:49             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:09             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-28 15:09               ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-28 15:25               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:25                 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:20     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:20       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] sched: fix avg_load computation Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] sched: Allow all archs to set the power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 14:04   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 14:04     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 14:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 14:46       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:50     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 20:50       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  9:42       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-04  9:42         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-04 11:15         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:15           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-05  8:59           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-05  8:59             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-16  9:01             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-16  9:01               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 13:22   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 13:22     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 14:02     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 14:02       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:17       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:17         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-06  7:01         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-06  7:01           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] ARM: topology: use new cpu_power interface Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 13:22   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-25 13:22     ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  8:25     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  8:25       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:19       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  9:19         ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] sched: add per rq cpu_power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] Revert "sched: Put rq's sched_avg under CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED" Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 17:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 17:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28  7:01     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28  7:01       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 12:10   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 12:10     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 13:15     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 13:15       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:47       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 15:47         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 16:39         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 16:39           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 12:03           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 12:03             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 15:59             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:59               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:41               ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:41                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 15:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:20           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:20             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  7:47           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  7:47             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  8:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  8:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  8:55               ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  8:55                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  9:23                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  9:35                   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  9:35                     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:25                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:25                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:44                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:44                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:32               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  9:32                 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:00                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:00                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:17                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:17                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:36                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:36                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:55                     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-06-04 10:55                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 11:07                     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:07                       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:23                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:23                         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:52                         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:52                           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 13:09                           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:09                             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:23                             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:23                               ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 15:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 15:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:16       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:16         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:37         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:39           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 23:11       ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-03 23:11         ` Yuyang Du
2014-05-30  9:50   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30  9:50     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:20     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:20       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-01 11:33       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-01 11:33         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-02 14:07         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 14:07           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] sched: test the cpu's capacity in wake affine Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 10:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 10:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 11:15     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 11:15       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-11-24  0:34       ` Wanpeng Li
2014-11-24  0:34         ` Wanpeng Li
2014-11-24 13:23         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-11-24 13:23           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] sched: move cfs task on a CPU with higher capacity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29  9:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29  9:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:37     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:37       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30  6:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30  6:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:05         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 20:05           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 17:06         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 17:06           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 11:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 11:15             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 12:31             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 12:31               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 14:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:44     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:44       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 13:26   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 13:26     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:24     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:24       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:45       ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-30 19:45         ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-30 20:07         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 20:07           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] sched: replace capacity by activity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 13:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 13:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:51     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:51       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02  6:21     ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-06-02  6:21       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-06-03  9:50       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03  9:50         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 14:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:56     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:56       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30  6:34       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30  6:34         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 19:13         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:13           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:44 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  9:44   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:04   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 10:04     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 15:54     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 15:54       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27  5:47       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-27  5:47         ` Preeti U Murthy

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