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From: Henning Schild <henning.schild@siemens.com>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Henning Schild <henning.schild@siemens.com>
Subject: Using virtio for inter-VM communication
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 18:48:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140610184818.2e490419@nbschild1> (raw)

Hi,

i am working on the jailhouse[1] project and am currently looking at
inter-VM communication. We want to connect guests directly with virtual
consoles based on shared memory. The code complexity in the hypervisor
should be minimal, it should just make the shared memory discoverable
and provide a signaling mechanism.

We would like to reuse virtio so that Linux-guests will eventually just
work without having to patch them. Having looked at virtio it seems to
be focused on host<->guest communication and does not consider direct
guest<->guest communication. I.e. the queues use guest-physical
addressing, which is only meaningful for the guest and the host.

In a first prototype i implemented a ivshmem[2] device for the
hypervisor. That way we can share memory between virtual machines.
Ivshmem is nice and simple but does not seem to be used anymore. And it
does not define higher level devices, like a console.

At this point i could:
- define a console on top of ivshmem
- see how i can get a virtio console to work between guests on shared
memory

Is anyone already using something like that? I guess zero-copy virtio
devices in Xen would be a similar case. I read a suggestion from may
2010 to introduce a virtio feature bit for shared memory
(VIRTIO_F_RING_SHMEM_ADDR). But that did not make it into the
virtio-spec.

regards,
Henning

[1] jailhouse
https://github.com/siemens/jailhouse

[2] ivshmem
https://gitorious.org/nahanni

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From: Henning Schild <henning.schild@siemens.com>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Henning Schild <henning.schild@siemens.com>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Using virtio for inter-VM communication
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 18:48:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140610184818.2e490419@nbschild1> (raw)

Hi,

i am working on the jailhouse[1] project and am currently looking at
inter-VM communication. We want to connect guests directly with virtual
consoles based on shared memory. The code complexity in the hypervisor
should be minimal, it should just make the shared memory discoverable
and provide a signaling mechanism.

We would like to reuse virtio so that Linux-guests will eventually just
work without having to patch them. Having looked at virtio it seems to
be focused on host<->guest communication and does not consider direct
guest<->guest communication. I.e. the queues use guest-physical
addressing, which is only meaningful for the guest and the host.

In a first prototype i implemented a ivshmem[2] device for the
hypervisor. That way we can share memory between virtual machines.
Ivshmem is nice and simple but does not seem to be used anymore. And it
does not define higher level devices, like a console.

At this point i could:
- define a console on top of ivshmem
- see how i can get a virtio console to work between guests on shared
memory

Is anyone already using something like that? I guess zero-copy virtio
devices in Xen would be a similar case. I read a suggestion from may
2010 to introduce a virtio feature bit for shared memory
(VIRTIO_F_RING_SHMEM_ADDR). But that did not make it into the
virtio-spec.

regards,
Henning

[1] jailhouse
https://github.com/siemens/jailhouse

[2] ivshmem
https://gitorious.org/nahanni

             reply	other threads:[~2014-06-10 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-10 16:48 Henning Schild [this message]
2014-06-10 16:48 ` [Qemu-devel] Using virtio for inter-VM communication Henning Schild
2014-06-10 22:15 ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-10 22:15 ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-10 22:15   ` [Qemu-devel] " Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-12  6:48   ` Markus Armbruster
2014-06-12  6:48   ` Markus Armbruster
2014-06-12  6:48     ` [Qemu-devel] " Markus Armbruster
2014-06-12  7:44     ` Henning Schild
2014-06-12  7:44       ` [Qemu-devel] " Henning Schild
2014-06-12  9:31       ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-12  9:31       ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-12  9:31         ` [Qemu-devel] " Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-12 12:55       ` Markus Armbruster
2014-06-12 14:40       ` Why I advise against using ivshmem (was: [Qemu-devel] Using virtio for inter-VM communication) Markus Armbruster
2014-06-12 14:40       ` Markus Armbruster
2014-06-12 14:40         ` [Qemu-devel] Why I advise against using ivshmem (was: " Markus Armbruster
2014-06-12 16:02         ` Why I advise against using ivshmem Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-12 16:02           ` [Qemu-devel] " Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-12 16:54           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-12 16:54             ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-13  8:46           ` Markus Armbruster
2014-06-13  9:26             ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-13  9:31               ` Jobin Raju George
2014-06-13  9:31                 ` Jobin Raju George
2014-06-13  9:31               ` Jobin Raju George
2014-06-13  9:48               ` Olivier MATZ
2014-06-13  9:48               ` Olivier MATZ
2014-06-13  9:48                 ` Olivier MATZ
2014-06-13 10:09               ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-13 13:41                 ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-13 13:41                 ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-13 13:41                   ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-13 14:10                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-13 14:10                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-14 18:01                     ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-14 18:01                       ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-17  2:54                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17  9:03                       ` David Marchand
2014-06-17  9:03                         ` David Marchand
2014-06-17  9:44                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-18 10:48                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-18 10:48                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-18 14:57                             ` David Marchand
2014-06-18 14:57                             ` David Marchand
2014-06-18 14:57                               ` David Marchand
2014-06-18 15:10                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-21  9:34                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-26 20:02                                 ` Cam Macdonell
2014-06-26 20:02                                   ` Cam Macdonell
2014-06-18 15:01                             ` Andreas Färber
2014-06-18 15:01                               ` Andreas Färber
2014-06-19  8:25                               ` David Marchand
2014-06-19  8:25                                 ` David Marchand
2014-06-19  8:25                               ` David Marchand
2014-06-18 15:01                             ` Andreas Färber
2014-06-30 11:10                             ` Markus Armbruster
2014-06-30 11:10                             ` Markus Armbruster
2014-06-30 11:10                               ` Markus Armbruster
2014-06-18 10:51                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-18 10:51                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-18 14:58                           ` David Marchand
2014-06-18 14:58                           ` David Marchand
2014-06-18 14:58                             ` David Marchand
2014-06-18 14:22                         ` Claudio Fontana
2014-06-17  9:03                       ` David Marchand
2014-06-13  9:29             ` Jobin Raju George
2014-06-13  9:29               ` [Qemu-devel] " Jobin Raju George
2014-06-13  9:29             ` Jobin Raju George
2014-06-12 16:02         ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-06-12  2:27 ` Using virtio for inter-VM communication Rusty Russell
2014-06-12  2:27   ` Rusty Russell
2014-06-12  2:27   ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2014-06-12  5:32   ` Jan Kiszka
2014-06-12  5:32     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2014-06-13  0:47     ` Rusty Russell
2014-06-13  0:47       ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2014-06-13  6:23       ` Jan Kiszka
2014-06-13  6:23         ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2014-06-13  8:45         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-13  8:45           ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-15  6:20           ` Jan Kiszka
2014-06-15  6:20           ` Jan Kiszka
2014-06-15  6:20             ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2014-06-17  5:24             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-17  5:24               ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-17  5:57               ` Jan Kiszka
2014-06-17  5:57               ` Jan Kiszka
2014-06-17  5:57                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2014-06-17  5:24             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-12  5:32   ` Jan Kiszka
2014-06-10 16:48 Henning Schild

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