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From: "Benoît Canet" <benoit.canet@irqsave.net>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, benoit.canet@irqsave.net, pkrempa@redhat.com,
	famz@redhat.com, Jeff Cody <jcody@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, stefanha@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 16:17:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140623141705.GA26906@irqsave.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140623130809.GB26269@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com>

The Monday 23 Jun 2014 à 21:08:09 (+0800), Stefan Hajnoczi wrote :
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 12:26:00PM -0400, Jeff Cody wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 05:17:16PM +0800, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 05:53:48PM -0400, Jeff Cody wrote:
> > > Let's discuss this topic in a sub-thread and figure out what to do for
> > > QEMU 2.1.  This is an important issue to solve before the release
> > > because we can't change QMP command semantics easily later.
> > > 
> > > My questions are:
> > > a. How do we fix resize, snapshot-sync, etc?  It seems like we need to
> > >    propagate child op blockers.
> > > 
> > > b. Is it a good idea to perform op blocker checks on the root node?
> > >    It's inconsistent with resize, snapshot-sync, etc.  Permissions in
> > >    BDS graphs with multiple root nodes (e.g. guest device and NBD
> > >    run-time server) will be different depending on which root you
> > >    specify.
> > 
> > I don't think (b) is the ultimate solution.  It is used as a stop-gap
> > because op blockers in the current implementation is essentially
> > analogous to the in-use flag.  But is it good enough for 2.1?  If
> > *everything* checks the topmost node in 2.1, then I think we are OK in
> > all cases except where images files share a common BDS.
> 
> Checking op blockers on the root node as a stop-gap is a good idea.
> Let's apply it across all commands (e.g. snapshot-sync, resize).
> 
> Fam pointed out that this approach is vulnerable to blockdev-add, where
> blockers could be set/checked on an incomplete BDS graph (since you can
> add new nodes on top).  Do we need to move the blockers up the graph if
> a new root node is inserted?
> 
> Besides this issue, your approach seems like the quickest safe solution
> for 2.1.

I agree that always blocking the top BDS would be tactical.
Even it would need to move the blocker on the root on node insertion it would
solve the issues I have in the quorum maintainances patches of recursive BDS loops
and ownerships.

Best regards

Benoît

> 
> > The ability for internal BDSs to share a common base BDS makes some
> > block jobs unsafe currently, I believe.  A crude and ugly fix is to
> > only allow a single block-job to occur at any given time, but that
> > doesn't seem feasible, so let's ignore that.
> 
> Right now I don't think we share BDS chains.
> 
> Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-23 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-17 21:53 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Jeff Cody
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 01/10] block: Auto-generate node_names for each BDS entry Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 12:53   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-18 13:13     ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:31       ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19  8:55   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 12:30     ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 17:03       ` Eric Blake
2014-06-20  4:24       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 12:41       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 02/10] block: add helper function to determine if a BDS is in a chain Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  6:27   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 10:24   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 03/10] block: simplify bdrv_find_base() and bdrv_find_overlay() Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  6:31   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 04/10] block: make 'top' argument to block-commit optional Jeff Cody
2014-06-17 22:25   ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 16:56     ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19  6:40   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 05/10] block: Accept node-name arguments for block-commit Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 12:58   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 06/10] block: extend block-commit to accept a string for the backing file Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  7:49   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 07/10] block: add ability for block-stream to use node-name Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:06   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19  8:01   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 08/10] block: add backing-file option to block-stream Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  8:04   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 09/10] block: Add QMP documentation for block-stream Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  8:06   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-17 21:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 10/10] block: add QAPI command to allow live backing file change Jeff Cody
2014-06-18 13:15   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19  8:37     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 19:08       ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19  8:37   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19  9:17 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-19 16:26   ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-19 16:49     ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 16:54       ` Eric Blake
2014-06-19 18:22       ` [Qemu-devel] Op Blockers on child nodes (was Re: [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use) node-names Jeff Cody
2014-06-24 12:55       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v6 for 2.1 00/10] Modify block jobs to use node-names Kevin Wolf
2014-06-23 13:08     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2014-06-23 14:17       ` Benoît Canet [this message]
2014-06-24  2:48       ` Fam Zheng
2014-06-24 13:32         ` Jeff Cody
2014-06-24 14:08           ` Kevin Wolf
2014-06-24 15:30             ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-19 17:49   ` Benoît Canet
2014-06-24 17:08   ` Jeff Cody

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