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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: AKASHI Takahiro <takahiro.akashi@linaro.org>
Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org" <linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <Catalin.Marinas@arm.com>,
	"arndb@arndb.de" <arndb@arndb.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Deepak Saxena <dsaxena@linaro.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 2/6] arm64: ptrace: allow tracer to skip a system call
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:16:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140902091622.GK30401@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54058421.5070506@linaro.org>

On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 05:47:29PM +0900, AKASHI Takahiro wrote:
> On 09/01/2014 08:47 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 02:55:46PM +0900, AKASHI Takahiro wrote:
>>> 1)
>>> setting x0 to -ENOSYS is necessary because, otherwise, user-issued syscall(-1) will
>>> return a bogus value when audit tracing is on.
>>>
>>> Please note that, on arm,
>>>                   not traced      traced
>>>                   ------          ------
>>> syscall(-1)      aborted         OOPs(BUG_ON)
>>> syscall(-3000)   aborted         aborted
>>> syscall(1000)    ENOSYS          ENOSYS
>>
>> Two points here:
>>
>> 1. You've found a case which causes a BUG_ON().  Where is the bug report
>>     for this, so the problem can be investigated and resolved?
>
> I think that I mentioned it could also happen on arm somewhere in a talk
> with Will, but don't remember exactly when.

Sorry, not good enough.  Please report this bug so it can be investigated
and fixed.

>> 2. What do you mean by "aborted" ?
>
> I mean that the process will receive SIGILL and get aborted.
> A system call number, like -1 and -3000, won't be trapped by *switch*
> statement in asm_syscall() and end up with being signaled.

That is correct behaviour - because numbers greater than 0xf0000 (or
0x9f0000 for OABI - the 0x900000 offset on the syscalls on OABI is to
distinguish them from syscalls used by RISC OS) are not intended to
be Linux syscalls per-se.

>> Please, if you find a problem with 32-bit ARM, report it.  Don't hide it,
>> because hiding it can be a security issue or in the case of BUG_ON(), it
>> could be a denial of service issue.
>>
>> As you're part of Linaro, I would have thought you'd be more responsible
>> in this regard - after all, Linaro is supposed to be about improving the
>> ARM kernel...  Maybe I got that wrong, and Linaro is actually about
>> ensuring that the ARM kernel is stuffed full of broken features?
>
> I thought my first priority was on arm64 (and then arm), but now that
> you and Will seem to want to see the fix first on arm, okey, I will
> start with arm issue.

So what you're saying there is that if you find a bug in ARM code, which
everyone is currently using, you can ignore it until you've sorted out
ARM64 which almost no one is using.

This is absurd, and whoever has set your priorities is clearly on drugs.

-- 
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From: linux@arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v6 2/6] arm64: ptrace: allow tracer to skip a system call
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:16:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140902091622.GK30401@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54058421.5070506@linaro.org>

On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 05:47:29PM +0900, AKASHI Takahiro wrote:
> On 09/01/2014 08:47 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 02:55:46PM +0900, AKASHI Takahiro wrote:
>>> 1)
>>> setting x0 to -ENOSYS is necessary because, otherwise, user-issued syscall(-1) will
>>> return a bogus value when audit tracing is on.
>>>
>>> Please note that, on arm,
>>>                   not traced      traced
>>>                   ------          ------
>>> syscall(-1)      aborted         OOPs(BUG_ON)
>>> syscall(-3000)   aborted         aborted
>>> syscall(1000)    ENOSYS          ENOSYS
>>
>> Two points here:
>>
>> 1. You've found a case which causes a BUG_ON().  Where is the bug report
>>     for this, so the problem can be investigated and resolved?
>
> I think that I mentioned it could also happen on arm somewhere in a talk
> with Will, but don't remember exactly when.

Sorry, not good enough.  Please report this bug so it can be investigated
and fixed.

>> 2. What do you mean by "aborted" ?
>
> I mean that the process will receive SIGILL and get aborted.
> A system call number, like -1 and -3000, won't be trapped by *switch*
> statement in asm_syscall() and end up with being signaled.

That is correct behaviour - because numbers greater than 0xf0000 (or
0x9f0000 for OABI - the 0x900000 offset on the syscalls on OABI is to
distinguish them from syscalls used by RISC OS) are not intended to
be Linux syscalls per-se.

>> Please, if you find a problem with 32-bit ARM, report it.  Don't hide it,
>> because hiding it can be a security issue or in the case of BUG_ON(), it
>> could be a denial of service issue.
>>
>> As you're part of Linaro, I would have thought you'd be more responsible
>> in this regard - after all, Linaro is supposed to be about improving the
>> ARM kernel...  Maybe I got that wrong, and Linaro is actually about
>> ensuring that the ARM kernel is stuffed full of broken features?
>
> I thought my first priority was on arm64 (and then arm), but now that
> you and Will seem to want to see the fix first on arm, okey, I will
> start with arm issue.

So what you're saying there is that if you find a bug in ARM code, which
everyone is currently using, you can ignore it until you've sorted out
ARM64 which almost no one is using.

This is absurd, and whoever has set your priorities is clearly on drugs.

-- 
FTTC broadband for 0.8mile line: currently at 9.5Mbps down 400kbps up
according to speedtest.net.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-02  9:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-21  8:56 [PATCH v6 0/6] arm64: add seccomp support AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21  8:56 ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21  8:56 ` [PATCH v6 1/6] arm64: ptrace: add PTRACE_SET_SYSCALL AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21  8:56   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21 16:47   ` Kees Cook
2014-08-21 16:47     ` Kees Cook
2014-08-22  0:19     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-22  0:19       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-26 17:46       ` Will Deacon
2014-08-26 17:46         ` Will Deacon
2014-08-27  5:32         ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-27  5:32           ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-09-03 18:34           ` Kees Cook
2014-09-03 18:34             ` Kees Cook
2014-08-21  8:56 ` [PATCH v6 2/6] arm64: ptrace: allow tracer to skip a system call AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21  8:56   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21 17:08   ` Kees Cook
2014-08-21 17:08     ` Kees Cook
2014-08-22  0:35     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-22  0:35       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-26 17:51       ` Will Deacon
2014-08-26 17:51         ` Will Deacon
2014-08-27  5:55         ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-27  5:55           ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-09-01 11:37           ` Will Deacon
2014-09-01 11:37             ` Will Deacon
2014-09-02  7:58             ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-09-02  7:58               ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-09-01 11:47           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-09-01 11:47             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-09-02  8:47             ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-09-02  8:47               ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-09-02  9:16               ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2014-09-02  9:16                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-09-02  9:31                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-09-02  9:31                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-09-05 10:08                 ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-09-05 10:08                   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-10-01 11:08         ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-10-01 11:08           ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-10-03 15:23           ` Will Deacon
2014-10-03 15:23             ` Will Deacon
2014-10-06  8:04             ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-10-06  8:04               ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21  8:56 ` [PATCH v6 3/6] asm-generic: add generic seccomp.h for secure computing mode 1 AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21  8:56   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21 17:51   ` Kees Cook
2014-08-21 17:51     ` Kees Cook
2014-08-22  0:38     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-22  0:38       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21  8:56 ` [PATCH v6 4/6] arm64: add seccomp syscall for compat task AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21  8:56   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21 17:52   ` Kees Cook
2014-08-21 17:52     ` Kees Cook
2014-08-22  0:39     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-22  0:39       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-26 17:53   ` Will Deacon
2014-08-26 17:53     ` Will Deacon
2014-08-27  5:57     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-27  5:57       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21  8:56 ` [PATCH v6 5/6] arm64: add SIGSYS siginfo " AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21  8:56   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21 17:54   ` Kees Cook
2014-08-21 17:54     ` Kees Cook
2014-08-22  0:44     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-22  0:44       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-26 17:55   ` Will Deacon
2014-08-26 17:55     ` Will Deacon
2014-08-27  5:58     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-27  5:58       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21  8:56 ` [PATCH v6 6/6] arm64: add seccomp support AKASHI Takahiro
2014-08-21  8:56   ` AKASHI Takahiro

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