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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@denx.de>
To: Michal Simek <michal.simek@xilinx.com>
Cc: atull <atull@opensource.altera.com>,
	Pantelis Antoniou <pantelis.antoniou@konsulko.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
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	Alan Tull <delicious.quinoa@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 2/4] fpga manager: add sysfs interface document
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:28:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150113072857.GA11760@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bed1d7ce1b984c79acc75a47495cb959@BL2FFO11FD043.protection.gbl>

Hi!

> >>>>>>>> +What:		/sys/class/fpga_manager/<fpga>/firmware
> >>>>>>>> +Date:		October 2014
> >>>>>>>> +KernelVersion:	3.18
> >>>>>>>> +Contact:	Alan Tull <atull@opensource.altera.com>
> >>>>>>>> +Description:	Name of the FPGA image file to load using firmware
> >>>>>>>> class.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This one is ugly: it unneccessarily passes firmware name through the
> >>>>>>> kernel. Just make interface and code simpler by always passing
> >>>>>>> "socfpga-fpga-image" or something like that.
...
 
> > What is cumbersome about symlink? Why is "fake" symlink in sysfs better?
> > 
> >> Previous uses of the firmware layer has been to use it to load once after
> >> bootup; this is different since some use cases will want to switch out
> >> the FPGA image.  If someone wants there to be only one FPGA image on
> >> the FGPA forever, they will probably not be using this framework; their
> >> FPGA will probably be loaded before Linux boots up.
> > 
> > Why? I have just one image on the fpga, and would prefer to load it
> > from Linux.
> 
> Pavel: These patches target staging and sysfs interface doesn't need to be stable
> at this time. I would prefer to add these patches to staging for 3.20
> and feel free to send the patch which fix this.

Interesting way to address patch review. "We'll merge it, and you can
fix it up later".

> With your code will be exactly clear how you want to use it and we can
> talk about it.

I'm pretty sure Alan knows what I want at this point, he just does not
want to do it.

For the record, I want to drop "firmware" file, use fixed firmware
name, and deal with multiple firmwares in userspace (using symlink or
udev magic).

I believe this is simplest solution, should be adequate, and is
certainly less ugly than implementing fake symlink in
/sys/.../firmware. And I have yet to hear what is wrong with that
suggestion.

Thanks,									
									Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@denx.de>
To: Michal Simek <michal.simek@xilinx.com>
Cc: mark.rutland@arm.com, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	rubini@gnudd.com,
	Pantelis Antoniou <pantelis.antoniou@konsulko.com>,
	hpa@zytor.com, Steffen Trumtrar <s.trumtrar@pengutronix.de>,
	devel@driverdev.osuosl.org, sameo@linux.intel.com,
	nico@linaro.org, ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk,
	kyle.teske@ni.com, jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	davidb@codeaurora.org, Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	cesarb@cesarb.net, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	jason@lakedaemon.net, pawel.moll@arm.com, iws@ovro.caltech.edu,
	atull <atull@opensource.altera.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	philip@balister.org, dinguyen@opensource.altera.com,
	Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	yvanderv@opensource.altera.com,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Felipe Balbi <balbi@ti.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 2/4] fpga manager: add sysfs interface document
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:28:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150113072857.GA11760@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bed1d7ce1b984c79acc75a47495cb959@BL2FFO11FD043.protection.gbl>

Hi!

> >>>>>>>> +What:		/sys/class/fpga_manager/<fpga>/firmware
> >>>>>>>> +Date:		October 2014
> >>>>>>>> +KernelVersion:	3.18
> >>>>>>>> +Contact:	Alan Tull <atull@opensource.altera.com>
> >>>>>>>> +Description:	Name of the FPGA image file to load using firmware
> >>>>>>>> class.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This one is ugly: it unneccessarily passes firmware name through the
> >>>>>>> kernel. Just make interface and code simpler by always passing
> >>>>>>> "socfpga-fpga-image" or something like that.
...
 
> > What is cumbersome about symlink? Why is "fake" symlink in sysfs better?
> > 
> >> Previous uses of the firmware layer has been to use it to load once after
> >> bootup; this is different since some use cases will want to switch out
> >> the FPGA image.  If someone wants there to be only one FPGA image on
> >> the FGPA forever, they will probably not be using this framework; their
> >> FPGA will probably be loaded before Linux boots up.
> > 
> > Why? I have just one image on the fpga, and would prefer to load it
> > from Linux.
> 
> Pavel: These patches target staging and sysfs interface doesn't need to be stable
> at this time. I would prefer to add these patches to staging for 3.20
> and feel free to send the patch which fix this.

Interesting way to address patch review. "We'll merge it, and you can
fix it up later".

> With your code will be exactly clear how you want to use it and we can
> talk about it.

I'm pretty sure Alan knows what I want at this point, he just does not
want to do it.

For the record, I want to drop "firmware" file, use fixed firmware
name, and deal with multiple firmwares in userspace (using symlink or
udev magic).

I believe this is simplest solution, should be adequate, and is
certainly less ugly than implementing fake symlink in
/sys/.../firmware. And I have yet to hear what is wrong with that
suggestion.

Thanks,									
									Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-13  7:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-06 20:13 [PATCH v8 0/4] FPGA Manager Framework atull
2015-01-06 20:13 ` atull
2015-01-06 20:13 ` [PATCH v8 1/4] doc: add bindings document for altera fpga manager atull
2015-01-06 20:13   ` atull
2015-01-06 22:05   ` Rob Herring
2015-01-06 22:05     ` Rob Herring
2015-01-06 22:34     ` atull
2015-01-06 22:34       ` atull
2015-01-09 15:50       ` Rob Herring
2015-01-09 15:50         ` Rob Herring
2015-01-09 18:58         ` atull
2015-01-09 18:58           ` atull
2015-01-06 20:13 ` [PATCH v8 2/4] fpga manager: add sysfs interface document atull
2015-01-06 20:13   ` atull
2015-01-07  8:48   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-07  8:48     ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 19:14     ` atull
2015-01-09 19:14       ` atull
2015-01-09 20:56       ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-09 20:56         ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-10  8:10         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-10  8:10           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-10 15:11           ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-10 15:11             ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-11 16:29             ` atull
2015-01-11 16:29               ` atull
2015-01-12  8:45               ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-12  8:45                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-12 13:48                 ` Michal Simek
2015-01-12 13:48                   ` Michal Simek
2015-01-13  7:28                   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2015-01-13  7:28                     ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-13  7:40                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-13  7:40                       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-13  7:56                       ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-13  7:56                         ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-13 17:27                         ` atull
2015-01-13 17:27                           ` atull
2015-01-12 16:05               ` Rob Herring
2015-01-12 16:05                 ` Rob Herring
2015-01-12 16:26                 ` Mark Brown
2015-01-12 16:26                   ` Mark Brown
2015-01-12 18:06               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-12 18:06                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-13 16:21                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-13 16:21                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-15 21:52                   ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-15 21:52                     ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-12 21:01         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-12 21:01           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-12 21:43           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-12 21:43             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-13 16:28             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-13 16:28               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-13 17:26               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-13 17:26                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-13 19:44                 ` atull
2015-01-13 19:44                   ` atull
2015-01-14 15:58                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-14 15:58                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-13 20:00               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-13 20:00                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-13 21:37                 ` atull
2015-01-13 21:37                   ` atull
2015-01-13 22:24                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-13 22:24                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-14 16:06                     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-14 16:06                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-14 18:12                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-14 18:12                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-14 19:01                         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-14 19:01                           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-15 11:36                         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-15 11:36                           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-15 11:44                           ` Mark Brown
2015-01-15 11:44                             ` Mark Brown
2015-01-15 16:34                     ` atull
2015-01-15 16:34                       ` atull
2015-01-15 18:47                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-15 18:47                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-15 20:45                         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-15 20:45                           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-15 20:54                           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-15 20:54                             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-21 16:01                             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-21 16:01                               ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-01-21 16:33                               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-21 16:33                                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-21 20:27                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-21 20:27                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-21 20:32                                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-01-21 20:32                                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-15 22:40                                   ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-15 22:40                                     ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-17 17:07                                     ` Rob Landley
2015-02-17 17:07                                       ` Rob Landley
2015-02-17 19:17                                       ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-17 19:17                                         ` Pavel Machek
2015-02-19 12:46                                         ` Michal Simek
2015-02-19 12:46                                           ` Michal Simek
2015-02-21  6:31                                           ` atull
2015-02-21  6:31                                             ` atull
2015-02-17 18:12                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-02-17 18:12                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-15 21:42                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-15 21:42                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-01-17 21:11                       ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-17 21:11                         ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-06 20:13 ` [PATCH v8 3/4] staging: fpga manager: framework core atull
2015-01-06 20:13   ` atull
2015-01-06 20:13 ` [PATCH v8 4/4] staging: fpga manager: add driver for socfpga fpga manager atull
2015-01-06 20:13   ` atull
2015-01-10 18:11 ` [PATCH v8 0/4] FPGA Manager Framework Konrad Zapalowicz
2015-01-10 18:11   ` Konrad Zapalowicz
2015-01-11 16:08   ` atull
2015-01-11 16:08     ` atull
2015-01-11 16:24     ` Konrad Zapalowicz
2015-01-11 16:24       ` Konrad Zapalowicz
2015-01-11 19:52       ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-11 19:52         ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-11 20:58         ` Konrad Zapalowicz
2015-01-11 20:58           ` Konrad Zapalowicz
2015-01-11 21:31           ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-11 21:31             ` Pavel Machek
2015-01-12 13:50             ` Michal Simek
2015-01-12 13:50               ` Michal Simek
2015-01-12 14:06         ` Dan Carpenter
2015-01-12 14:06           ` Dan Carpenter

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