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@ 2014-12-30  3:13 ` Xiao Ni
  2015-02-03  8:13   ` Xiao Ni
  2015-02-04  6:39   ` NeilBrown
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Xiao Ni @ 2014-12-30  3:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-raid

Hi Neil

   When I try to reshape a raid0 to raid10, it'll fail like this:

[root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# lsblk 
NAME                    MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
sda                       8:0    0 111.8G  0 disk 
├─sda1                    8:1    0  1000M  0 part /boot
├─sda2                    8:2    0  29.3G  0 part /
├─sda3                    8:3    0   512M  0 part [SWAP]
├─sda4                    8:4    0     1K  0 part 
├─sda5                    8:5    0   102M  0 part 
└─sda6                    8:6    0  10.1G  0 part 
  └─VolGroup00-LogVol00 254:0    0   9.9G  0 lvm  
sdb                       8:16   0 111.8G  0 disk 
├─sdb1                    8:17   0     2G  0 part 
└─sdb2                    8:18   0    10G  0 part 
sdc                       8:32   0 186.3G  0 disk 
├─sdc1                    8:33   0     2G  0 part 
└─sdc2                    8:34   0    10G  0 part 
sdd                       8:48   0 111.8G  0 disk 
├─sdd1                    8:49   0     2G  0 part 
└─sdd2                    8:50   0    10G  0 part 
[root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm -CR /dev/md0 -l0 -n3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 
mdadm: Defaulting to version 1.2 metadata
mdadm: array /dev/md0 started.
[root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l10 -a /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2 
mdadm: level of /dev/md0 changed to raid10
mdadm: add new device failed for /dev/sdb2 as 6: No space left on device

   
   But if I reshape the raid0 to raid5, reshape raid5 to raid0, then reshape raid0 to raid10 use
the same command it'll succeed. 

[root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm -CR /dev/md0 -l0 -n3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1
[root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l5
[root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# cat /proc/mdstat 
Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid0] [raid10] 
md0 : active raid5 sdd1[2] sdc1[1] sdb1[0]
      6285312 blocks super 1.2 level 5, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/3] [UUU_]
      
unused devices: <none>

[root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l0
[root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# cat /proc/mdstat 
Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid0] [raid10] 
md0 : active raid0 sdd1[2] sdc1[1] sdb1[0]
      6285312 blocks super 1.2 512k chunks
      
unused devices: <none>
[root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l10 -a /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2 
mdadm: level of /dev/md0 changed to raid10
mdadm: added /dev/sdb2
mdadm: added /dev/sdc2
mdadm: added /dev/sdd2

    So I guess it's the problem add the disk to raid10 after the reshaping. In the function
super_1_validate, it'll set the  mddev->dev_sectors using the superblock read from disks. 
If it's raid0, the le64_to_cpu(sb-size) is 0. So when add disk to raid10 bind_rdev_to_array
return -ENOSPC.

    When create raid0, it doesn't write give the value to s->size. So the sb-size is 0.
I modify the code about Create.c. I'm not sure whether it's right to do so. But it can resolve 
the problem.

diff --git a/Create.c b/Create.c
index 330c5b4..f3135c5 100644
--- a/Create.c
+++ b/Create.c
@@ -489,7 +489,7 @@ int Create(struct supertype *st, char *mddev,
                        pr_err("no size and no drives given - aborting create.\n");
                        return 1;
                }
-               if (s->level > 0 || s->level == LEVEL_MULTIPATH
+               if (s->level >= 0 || s->level == LEVEL_MULTIPATH
                    || s->level == LEVEL_FAULTY
                    || st->ss->external ) {
                        /* size is meaningful */



   

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* Re: Can't reshape raid0 to raid10
  2014-12-30  3:13 ` Can't reshape raid0 to raid10 Xiao Ni
@ 2015-02-03  8:13   ` Xiao Ni
  2015-02-04  6:39   ` NeilBrown
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Xiao Ni @ 2015-02-03  8:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-raid



----- Original Message -----
> From: "Xiao Ni" <xni@redhat.com>
> To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:13:41 AM
> Subject: Can't reshape raid0 to raid10
> 
> Hi Neil
> 
>    When I try to reshape a raid0 to raid10, it'll fail like this:
> 
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# lsblk
> NAME                    MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
> sda                       8:0    0 111.8G  0 disk
> ├─sda1                    8:1    0  1000M  0 part /boot
> ├─sda2                    8:2    0  29.3G  0 part /
> ├─sda3                    8:3    0   512M  0 part [SWAP]
> ├─sda4                    8:4    0     1K  0 part
> ├─sda5                    8:5    0   102M  0 part
> └─sda6                    8:6    0  10.1G  0 part
>   └─VolGroup00-LogVol00 254:0    0   9.9G  0 lvm
> sdb                       8:16   0 111.8G  0 disk
> ├─sdb1                    8:17   0     2G  0 part
> └─sdb2                    8:18   0    10G  0 part
> sdc                       8:32   0 186.3G  0 disk
> ├─sdc1                    8:33   0     2G  0 part
> └─sdc2                    8:34   0    10G  0 part
> sdd                       8:48   0 111.8G  0 disk
> ├─sdd1                    8:49   0     2G  0 part
> └─sdd2                    8:50   0    10G  0 part
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm -CR /dev/md0 -l0 -n3 /dev/sdb1
> /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1
> mdadm: Defaulting to version 1.2 metadata
> mdadm: array /dev/md0 started.
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l10 -a /dev/sdb2
> /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2
> mdadm: level of /dev/md0 changed to raid10
> mdadm: add new device failed for /dev/sdb2 as 6: No space left on device
> 
>    
>    But if I reshape the raid0 to raid5, reshape raid5 to raid0, then reshape
>    raid0 to raid10 use
> the same command it'll succeed.
> 
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm -CR /dev/md0 -l0 -n3 /dev/sdb1
> /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l5
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# cat /proc/mdstat
> Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid0] [raid10]
> md0 : active raid5 sdd1[2] sdc1[1] sdb1[0]
>       6285312 blocks super 1.2 level 5, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/3] [UUU_]
>       
> unused devices: <none>
> 
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l0
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# cat /proc/mdstat
> Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid0] [raid10]
> md0 : active raid0 sdd1[2] sdc1[1] sdb1[0]
>       6285312 blocks super 1.2 512k chunks
>       
> unused devices: <none>
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l10 -a /dev/sdb2
> /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2
> mdadm: level of /dev/md0 changed to raid10
> mdadm: added /dev/sdb2
> mdadm: added /dev/sdc2
> mdadm: added /dev/sdd2
> 
>     So I guess it's the problem add the disk to raid10 after the reshaping.
>     In the function
> super_1_validate, it'll set the  mddev->dev_sectors using the superblock read
> from disks.
> If it's raid0, the le64_to_cpu(sb-size) is 0. So when add disk to raid10
> bind_rdev_to_array
> return -ENOSPC.
> 
>     When create raid0, it doesn't write give the value to s->size. So the
>     sb-size is 0.
> I modify the code about Create.c. I'm not sure whether it's right to do so.
> But it can resolve
> the problem.
> 
> diff --git a/Create.c b/Create.c
> index 330c5b4..f3135c5 100644
> --- a/Create.c
> +++ b/Create.c
> @@ -489,7 +489,7 @@ int Create(struct supertype *st, char *mddev,
>                         pr_err("no size and no drives given - aborting
>                         create.\n");
>                         return 1;
>                 }
> -               if (s->level > 0 || s->level == LEVEL_MULTIPATH
> +               if (s->level >= 0 || s->level == LEVEL_MULTIPATH
>                     || s->level == LEVEL_FAULTY
>                     || st->ss->external ) {
>                         /* size is meaningful */
> 

Hi Neil

   Any update for this? 

Best Regards
Xiao
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* Re: Can't reshape raid0 to raid10
  2014-12-30  3:13 ` Can't reshape raid0 to raid10 Xiao Ni
  2015-02-03  8:13   ` Xiao Ni
@ 2015-02-04  6:39   ` NeilBrown
  2015-02-05  8:44     ` Xiao Ni
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: NeilBrown @ 2015-02-04  6:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Xiao Ni; +Cc: linux-raid

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On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:13:41 -0500 (EST) Xiao Ni <xni@redhat.com> wrote:

> Hi Neil
> 
>    When I try to reshape a raid0 to raid10, it'll fail like this:
> 
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# lsblk 
> NAME                    MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
> sda                       8:0    0 111.8G  0 disk 
> ├─sda1                    8:1    0  1000M  0 part /boot
> ├─sda2                    8:2    0  29.3G  0 part /
> ├─sda3                    8:3    0   512M  0 part [SWAP]
> ├─sda4                    8:4    0     1K  0 part 
> ├─sda5                    8:5    0   102M  0 part 
> └─sda6                    8:6    0  10.1G  0 part 
>   └─VolGroup00-LogVol00 254:0    0   9.9G  0 lvm  
> sdb                       8:16   0 111.8G  0 disk 
> ├─sdb1                    8:17   0     2G  0 part 
> └─sdb2                    8:18   0    10G  0 part 
> sdc                       8:32   0 186.3G  0 disk 
> ├─sdc1                    8:33   0     2G  0 part 
> └─sdc2                    8:34   0    10G  0 part 
> sdd                       8:48   0 111.8G  0 disk 
> ├─sdd1                    8:49   0     2G  0 part 
> └─sdd2                    8:50   0    10G  0 part 
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm -CR /dev/md0 -l0 -n3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 
> mdadm: Defaulting to version 1.2 metadata
> mdadm: array /dev/md0 started.
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l10 -a /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2 
> mdadm: level of /dev/md0 changed to raid10
> mdadm: add new device failed for /dev/sdb2 as 6: No space left on device
> 
>    
>    But if I reshape the raid0 to raid5, reshape raid5 to raid0, then reshape raid0 to raid10 use
> the same command it'll succeed. 
> 
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm -CR /dev/md0 -l0 -n3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l5
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# cat /proc/mdstat 
> Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid0] [raid10] 
> md0 : active raid5 sdd1[2] sdc1[1] sdb1[0]
>       6285312 blocks super 1.2 level 5, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/3] [UUU_]
>       
> unused devices: <none>
> 
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l0
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# cat /proc/mdstat 
> Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid0] [raid10] 
> md0 : active raid0 sdd1[2] sdc1[1] sdb1[0]
>       6285312 blocks super 1.2 512k chunks
>       
> unused devices: <none>
> [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l10 -a /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2 
> mdadm: level of /dev/md0 changed to raid10
> mdadm: added /dev/sdb2
> mdadm: added /dev/sdc2
> mdadm: added /dev/sdd2
> 
>     So I guess it's the problem add the disk to raid10 after the reshaping. In the function
> super_1_validate, it'll set the  mddev->dev_sectors using the superblock read from disks. 
> If it's raid0, the le64_to_cpu(sb-size) is 0. So when add disk to raid10 bind_rdev_to_array
> return -ENOSPC.
> 
>     When create raid0, it doesn't write give the value to s->size. So the sb-size is 0.
> I modify the code about Create.c. I'm not sure whether it's right to do so. But it can resolve 
> the problem.

Thanks for the report.

I think this need to be fixing in the md driver, when the reshape happens.

Something like the following.

NeilBrown

diff --git a/drivers/md/raid10.c b/drivers/md/raid10.c
index d1203cddb024..b8d76b1fba64 100644
--- a/drivers/md/raid10.c
+++ b/drivers/md/raid10.c
@@ -3872,7 +3872,7 @@ static int raid10_resize(struct mddev *mddev, sector_t sectors)
 	return 0;
 }
 
-static void *raid10_takeover_raid0(struct mddev *mddev)
+static void *raid10_takeover_raid0(struct mddev *mddev, sector_t size, int devs)
 {
 	struct md_rdev *rdev;
 	struct r10conf *conf;
@@ -3882,6 +3882,7 @@ static void *raid10_takeover_raid0(struct mddev *mddev)
 		       mdname(mddev));
 		return ERR_PTR(-EINVAL);
 	}
+	sector_div(size, devs);
 
 	/* Set new parameters */
 	mddev->new_level = 10;
@@ -3892,12 +3893,15 @@ static void *raid10_takeover_raid0(struct mddev *mddev)
 	mddev->raid_disks *= 2;
 	/* make sure it will be not marked as dirty */
 	mddev->recovery_cp = MaxSector;
+	mddev->dev_sectors = size;
 
 	conf = setup_conf(mddev);
 	if (!IS_ERR(conf)) {
 		rdev_for_each(rdev, mddev)
-			if (rdev->raid_disk >= 0)
+			if (rdev->raid_disk >= 0) {
 				rdev->new_raid_disk = rdev->raid_disk * 2;
+				rdev->sectors = size;
+			}
 		conf->barrier = 1;
 	}
 
@@ -3920,7 +3924,9 @@ static void *raid10_takeover(struct mddev *mddev)
 			       mdname(mddev));
 			return ERR_PTR(-EINVAL);
 		}
-		return raid10_takeover_raid0(mddev);
+		return raid10_takeover_raid0(mddev,
+			raid0_conf->strip_zone->zone_end,
+			raid0_conf->strip_zone->nb_dev);
 	}
 	return ERR_PTR(-EINVAL);
 }

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* Re: Can't reshape raid0 to raid10
  2015-02-04  6:39   ` NeilBrown
@ 2015-02-05  8:44     ` Xiao Ni
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Xiao Ni @ 2015-02-05  8:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: NeilBrown; +Cc: linux-raid



----- Original Message -----
> From: "NeilBrown" <neilb@suse.de>
> To: "Xiao Ni" <xni@redhat.com>
> Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
> Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2015 2:39:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Can't reshape raid0 to raid10
> 
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:13:41 -0500 (EST) Xiao Ni <xni@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Neil
> > 
> >    When I try to reshape a raid0 to raid10, it'll fail like this:
> > 
> > [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# lsblk
> > NAME                    MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
> > sda                       8:0    0 111.8G  0 disk
> > ├─sda1                    8:1    0  1000M  0 part /boot
> > ├─sda2                    8:2    0  29.3G  0 part /
> > ├─sda3                    8:3    0   512M  0 part [SWAP]
> > ├─sda4                    8:4    0     1K  0 part
> > ├─sda5                    8:5    0   102M  0 part
> > └─sda6                    8:6    0  10.1G  0 part
> >   └─VolGroup00-LogVol00 254:0    0   9.9G  0 lvm
> > sdb                       8:16   0 111.8G  0 disk
> > ├─sdb1                    8:17   0     2G  0 part
> > └─sdb2                    8:18   0    10G  0 part
> > sdc                       8:32   0 186.3G  0 disk
> > ├─sdc1                    8:33   0     2G  0 part
> > └─sdc2                    8:34   0    10G  0 part
> > sdd                       8:48   0 111.8G  0 disk
> > ├─sdd1                    8:49   0     2G  0 part
> > └─sdd2                    8:50   0    10G  0 part
> > [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm -CR /dev/md0 -l0 -n3 /dev/sdb1
> > /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1
> > mdadm: Defaulting to version 1.2 metadata
> > mdadm: array /dev/md0 started.
> > [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l10 -a /dev/sdb2
> > /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2
> > mdadm: level of /dev/md0 changed to raid10
> > mdadm: add new device failed for /dev/sdb2 as 6: No space left on device
> > 
> >    
> >    But if I reshape the raid0 to raid5, reshape raid5 to raid0, then
> >    reshape raid0 to raid10 use
> > the same command it'll succeed.
> > 
> > [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm -CR /dev/md0 -l0 -n3 /dev/sdb1
> > /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1
> > [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l5
> > [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# cat /proc/mdstat
> > Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid0] [raid10]
> > md0 : active raid5 sdd1[2] sdc1[1] sdb1[0]
> >       6285312 blocks super 1.2 level 5, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/3]
> >       [UUU_]
> >       
> > unused devices: <none>
> > 
> > [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l0
> > [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# cat /proc/mdstat
> > Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid0] [raid10]
> > md0 : active raid0 sdd1[2] sdc1[1] sdb1[0]
> >       6285312 blocks super 1.2 512k chunks
> >       
> > unused devices: <none>
> > [root@dhcp-12-133 mdadm-3.3.2]# mdadm --grow /dev/md0 -l10 -a /dev/sdb2
> > /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2
> > mdadm: level of /dev/md0 changed to raid10
> > mdadm: added /dev/sdb2
> > mdadm: added /dev/sdc2
> > mdadm: added /dev/sdd2
> > 
> >     So I guess it's the problem add the disk to raid10 after the reshaping.
> >     In the function
> > super_1_validate, it'll set the  mddev->dev_sectors using the superblock
> > read from disks.
> > If it's raid0, the le64_to_cpu(sb-size) is 0. So when add disk to raid10
> > bind_rdev_to_array
> > return -ENOSPC.
> > 
> >     When create raid0, it doesn't write give the value to s->size. So the
> >     sb-size is 0.
> > I modify the code about Create.c. I'm not sure whether it's right to do so.
> > But it can resolve
> > the problem.
> 
> Thanks for the report.
> 
> I think this need to be fixing in the md driver, when the reshape happens.
> 
> Something like the following.
> 
> NeilBrown
> 
> diff --git a/drivers/md/raid10.c b/drivers/md/raid10.c
> index d1203cddb024..b8d76b1fba64 100644
> --- a/drivers/md/raid10.c
> +++ b/drivers/md/raid10.c
> @@ -3872,7 +3872,7 @@ static int raid10_resize(struct mddev *mddev, sector_t
> sectors)
>  	return 0;
>  }
>  
> -static void *raid10_takeover_raid0(struct mddev *mddev)
> +static void *raid10_takeover_raid0(struct mddev *mddev, sector_t size, int
> devs)
>  {
>  	struct md_rdev *rdev;
>  	struct r10conf *conf;
> @@ -3882,6 +3882,7 @@ static void *raid10_takeover_raid0(struct mddev *mddev)
>  		       mdname(mddev));
>  		return ERR_PTR(-EINVAL);
>  	}
> +	sector_div(size, devs);
>  
>  	/* Set new parameters */
>  	mddev->new_level = 10;
> @@ -3892,12 +3893,15 @@ static void *raid10_takeover_raid0(struct mddev
> *mddev)
>  	mddev->raid_disks *= 2;
>  	/* make sure it will be not marked as dirty */
>  	mddev->recovery_cp = MaxSector;
> +	mddev->dev_sectors = size;
>  
>  	conf = setup_conf(mddev);
>  	if (!IS_ERR(conf)) {
>  		rdev_for_each(rdev, mddev)
> -			if (rdev->raid_disk >= 0)
> +			if (rdev->raid_disk >= 0) {
>  				rdev->new_raid_disk = rdev->raid_disk * 2;
> +				rdev->sectors = size;
> +			}
>  		conf->barrier = 1;
>  	}
>  
> @@ -3920,7 +3924,9 @@ static void *raid10_takeover(struct mddev *mddev)
>  			       mdname(mddev));
>  			return ERR_PTR(-EINVAL);
>  		}
> -		return raid10_takeover_raid0(mddev);
> +		return raid10_takeover_raid0(mddev,
> +			raid0_conf->strip_zone->zone_end,
> +			raid0_conf->strip_zone->nb_dev);
>  	}
>  	return ERR_PTR(-EINVAL);
>  }
> 

   Thanks, the problem is fixed.

Best Regards
Xiao
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