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From: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Cc: Pantelis Antoniou <pantelis.antoniou@konsulko.com>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Matt Porter <matt.porter@linaro.org>,
	Koen Kooi <koen@dominion.thruhere.net>,
	Ludovic Desroches <ludovic.desroches@atmel.com>,
	Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
	Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@atmel.com>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] of: DT quirks infrastructure
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:32:38 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150218193238.GA32179@roeck-us.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150218173115.GG29429@leverpostej>

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 05:31:16PM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > >> +While this may in theory work, in practice it is very cumbersome
> > >> +for the following reasons:
> > >> +
> > >> +1. The act of selecting a different boot device tree blob requires
> > >> +a reasonably advanced bootloader with some kind of configuration or
> > >> +scripting capabilities. Sadly this is not the case many times, the
> > >> +bootloader is extremely dumb and can only use a single dt blob.
> > > 
> > > You can have several bootloader builds, or even a single build with
> > > something like appended DTB to get an appropriate DTB if the same binary
> > > will otherwise work across all variants of a board.
> > > 
> > 
> > No, the same DTB will not work across all the variants of a board.
> 
> I wasn't on about the DTB. I was on about the loader binary, in the case
> the FW/bootloader could be common even if the DTB couldn't.
> 
> To some extent there must be a DTB that will work across all variants
> (albeit with limited utility) or the quirk approach wouldn't work...
> 

Not necessarily. I have another use case: A cpu card can be plugged into
multiple carrier card variants, each with different functionality.
At production time, it is not known which carrier card the CPU card
will be plugged in. It is not feasible for manufacturing to update
the dtb files after the cpu card has been plugged into the carrier,
since both are manufactured separately and plugged together at a
later step in the production process (and may be swapped around later).

External overlays do not work in this case because those have to be loaded
through the carrier card. A common dtb file as proposed here would be an
elegant solution for that problem.

Guenter

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From: linux@roeck-us.net (Guenter Roeck)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 2/4] of: DT quirks infrastructure
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:32:38 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150218193238.GA32179@roeck-us.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150218173115.GG29429@leverpostej>

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 05:31:16PM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > >> +While this may in theory work, in practice it is very cumbersome
> > >> +for the following reasons:
> > >> +
> > >> +1. The act of selecting a different boot device tree blob requires
> > >> +a reasonably advanced bootloader with some kind of configuration or
> > >> +scripting capabilities. Sadly this is not the case many times, the
> > >> +bootloader is extremely dumb and can only use a single dt blob.
> > > 
> > > You can have several bootloader builds, or even a single build with
> > > something like appended DTB to get an appropriate DTB if the same binary
> > > will otherwise work across all variants of a board.
> > > 
> > 
> > No, the same DTB will not work across all the variants of a board.
> 
> I wasn't on about the DTB. I was on about the loader binary, in the case
> the FW/bootloader could be common even if the DTB couldn't.
> 
> To some extent there must be a DTB that will work across all variants
> (albeit with limited utility) or the quirk approach wouldn't work...
> 

Not necessarily. I have another use case: A cpu card can be plugged into
multiple carrier card variants, each with different functionality.
At production time, it is not known which carrier card the CPU card
will be plugged in. It is not feasible for manufacturing to update
the dtb files after the cpu card has been plugged into the carrier,
since both are manufactured separately and plugged together at a
later step in the production process (and may be swapped around later).

External overlays do not work in this case because those have to be loaded
through the carrier card. A common dtb file as proposed here would be an
elegant solution for that problem.

Guenter

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-18 19:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-18 14:59 [PATCH 0/4] Device Tree Quirks & the Beaglebone Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 14:59 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 14:59 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 14:59 ` [PATCH 1/4] arm: of: Add a DT quirk method after unflattening Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 14:59   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 14:59 ` [PATCH 2/4] of: DT quirks infrastructure Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 14:59   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 15:41   ` Mark Rutland
2015-02-18 15:41     ` Mark Rutland
2015-02-18 15:41     ` Mark Rutland
2015-02-18 15:53     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 15:53       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 15:53       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 16:32       ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-18 16:32         ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-18 16:32         ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-18 16:39         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 16:39           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 16:39           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 16:47           ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-18 16:47             ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-18 16:47             ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-18 16:46       ` Matt Porter
2015-02-18 16:46         ` Matt Porter
2015-02-18 16:46         ` Matt Porter
2015-02-18 17:31       ` Mark Rutland
2015-02-18 17:31         ` Mark Rutland
2015-02-18 17:31         ` Mark Rutland
2015-02-18 19:32         ` Guenter Roeck [this message]
2015-02-18 19:32           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-18 19:32           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-19 14:29         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 14:29           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 14:29           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 16:48           ` Frank Rowand
2015-02-19 16:48             ` Frank Rowand
2015-02-19 16:48             ` Frank Rowand
2015-02-19 17:00             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 17:00               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 17:00               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 17:30               ` Frank Rowand
2015-02-19 17:30                 ` Frank Rowand
2015-02-19 17:30                 ` Frank Rowand
2015-02-19 17:38                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 17:38                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 17:38                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 18:01                   ` Maxime Bizon
2015-02-19 18:01                     ` Maxime Bizon
2015-02-19 18:01                     ` Maxime Bizon
2015-02-19 18:12                     ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-02-19 18:12                       ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-02-19 18:12                       ` Sylvain Rochet
2015-02-19 18:22                       ` Maxime Bizon
2015-02-19 18:22                         ` Maxime Bizon
2015-02-19 18:22                         ` Maxime Bizon
2015-02-20 14:21                   ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 14:21                     ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 14:21                     ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 14:35                     ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-20 14:35                       ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-20 14:35                       ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-20 15:00                       ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 15:00                         ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 15:00                         ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 15:02                         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 15:02                           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 15:02                           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 15:24                           ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 15:24                             ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 15:24                             ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 15:38                             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 15:38                               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 15:38                               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 16:34                               ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 16:34                                 ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 16:34                                 ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 16:49                                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 16:49                                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 16:49                                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 17:30                       ` Rob Herring
2015-02-20 17:30                         ` Rob Herring
2015-02-20 17:30                         ` Rob Herring
2015-02-20 17:37                         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 17:37                           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 17:37                           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-23  7:00                         ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-23  7:00                           ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-23  7:00                           ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-20 14:38                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 14:38                       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 14:38                       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-20 16:47                     ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20 16:47                       ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20 16:47                       ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20 18:09                       ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 18:09                         ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 18:09                         ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 18:48                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20 18:48                           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20 18:48                           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-23  7:30                           ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-23  7:30                             ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-23  7:30                             ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-20  8:04                 ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-20  8:04                   ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-20  8:04                   ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-19  2:08   ` Frank Rowand
2015-02-19  2:08     ` Frank Rowand
2015-02-19 14:41     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 14:41       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 16:40       ` Frank Rowand
2015-02-19 16:40         ` Frank Rowand
2015-02-19 16:51         ` Frank Rowand
2015-02-19 16:51           ` Frank Rowand
2015-02-19 16:51           ` Frank Rowand
2015-02-20 13:23       ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-20 13:23         ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-19 18:01     ` Rob Herring
2015-02-19 18:01       ` Rob Herring
2015-02-19 18:01       ` Rob Herring
2015-02-19 18:12       ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-19 18:12         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-19 18:12         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20  8:16       ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-20  8:16         ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-20  8:16         ` Ludovic Desroches
2015-02-18 14:59 ` [PATCH 3/4] arm: am33xx: DT quirks for am33xx based beaglebone variants Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 14:59   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 18:16   ` Tony Lindgren
2015-02-19 18:16     ` Tony Lindgren
2015-02-19 18:16     ` Tony Lindgren
2015-02-19 18:28     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 18:28       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 18:36       ` Tony Lindgren
2015-02-19 18:36         ` Tony Lindgren
2015-02-19 18:36         ` Tony Lindgren
2015-02-19 18:44         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 18:44           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 18:44           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-23 18:39           ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-23 18:39             ` Peter Hurley
2015-02-23 18:48             ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-23 18:48               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-19 18:57         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-19 18:57           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20 16:13       ` Jon Hunter
2015-02-20 16:13         ` Jon Hunter
2015-02-18 14:59 ` [PATCH 4/4] arm: dts: Common Black/White Beaglebone DTS using quirks Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 14:59   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2015-02-18 14:59   ` Pantelis Antoniou

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