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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	dchinner@redhat.com, oleg@redhat.com, xfs@oss.sgi.com,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, mgorman@suse.de, rientjes@google.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: How to handle TIF_MEMDIE stalls?
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:48:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150220124849.GH21248@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150219214356.GW12722@dastard>

On Fri 20-02-15 08:43:56, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 01:29:14PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Thu 19-02-15 06:01:24, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > [...]
> > > Preferrably, we'd get rid of all nofail allocations and replace them
> > > with preallocated reserves.  But this is not going to happen anytime
> > > soon, so what other option do we have than resolving this on the OOM
> > > killer side?
> > 
> > As I've mentioned in other email, we might give GFP_NOFAIL allocator
> > access to memory reserves (by giving it __GFP_HIGH).
> 
> Won't work when you have thousands of concurrent transactions
> running in XFS and they are all doing GFP_NOFAIL allocations.

Is there any bound on how many transactions can run at the same time?

> That's why I suggested the per-transaction reserve pool - we can use
> that

I am still not sure what you mean by reserve pool (API wise). How
does it differ from pre-allocating memory before the "may not fail
context"? Could you elaborate on it, please?

> to throttle the number of concurent contexts demanding memory for
> forwards progress, just the same was we throttle the number of
> concurrent processes based on maximum log space requirements of the
> transactions and the amount of unreserved log space available.
> 
> No log space, transaction reservations waits on an ordered queue for
> space to become available. No memory available, transaction
> reservation waits on an ordered queue for memory to become
> available.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave.
> -- 
> Dave Chinner
> david@fromorbit.com

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	dchinner@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org, rientjes@google.com,
	oleg@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, mgorman@suse.de,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: How to handle TIF_MEMDIE stalls?
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:48:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150220124849.GH21248@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150219214356.GW12722@dastard>

On Fri 20-02-15 08:43:56, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 01:29:14PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Thu 19-02-15 06:01:24, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > [...]
> > > Preferrably, we'd get rid of all nofail allocations and replace them
> > > with preallocated reserves.  But this is not going to happen anytime
> > > soon, so what other option do we have than resolving this on the OOM
> > > killer side?
> > 
> > As I've mentioned in other email, we might give GFP_NOFAIL allocator
> > access to memory reserves (by giving it __GFP_HIGH).
> 
> Won't work when you have thousands of concurrent transactions
> running in XFS and they are all doing GFP_NOFAIL allocations.

Is there any bound on how many transactions can run at the same time?

> That's why I suggested the per-transaction reserve pool - we can use
> that

I am still not sure what you mean by reserve pool (API wise). How
does it differ from pre-allocating memory before the "may not fail
context"? Could you elaborate on it, please?

> to throttle the number of concurent contexts demanding memory for
> forwards progress, just the same was we throttle the number of
> concurrent processes based on maximum log space requirements of the
> transactions and the amount of unreserved log space available.
> 
> No log space, transaction reservations waits on an ordered queue for
> space to become available. No memory available, transaction
> reservation waits on an ordered queue for memory to become
> available.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave.
> -- 
> Dave Chinner
> david@fromorbit.com

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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Thread overview: 276+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-12 13:54 [RFC PATCH] oom: Don't count on mm-less current process Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-16 12:47 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-17 11:54   ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-17 13:08     ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-18 12:11       ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-18 15:33         ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-19 12:07           ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-19 12:49             ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-20  9:13               ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-20 11:42                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-22 20:25                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23  1:00                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23  9:51                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 11:46                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 11:57                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 12:12                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 12:27                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 12:24                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 13:00                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 13:09                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 13:20                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 13:43                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 14:11                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 14:57                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-19 12:22           ` How to handle TIF_MEMDIE stalls? Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-20  2:03             ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-20 12:41               ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-20 22:35                 ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-21  8:45                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-21 20:42                     ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-22 16:57                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-22 21:30                         ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-23  9:41                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-12-24  1:06                             ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-24  2:40                               ` Linus Torvalds
2014-12-29 18:19                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-30  6:42                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-30 11:21                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-30 13:33                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-31 10:24                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-09 11:44                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-10 13:58                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-10 15:19                               ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-11  2:23                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-11 13:37                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-11 18:50                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-11 18:59                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-03-14 13:03                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-17 12:23                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-17 12:53                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-17 15:38                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 22:54                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-17 22:54                                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-17 23:32                                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-17 23:32                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-18  8:25                                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18  8:25                                           ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 10:48                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-18 10:48                                             ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-18 12:16                                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 12:16                                               ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 21:31                                               ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-18 21:31                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-19  9:40                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19  9:40                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 22:03                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-19 22:03                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-20  9:27                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20  9:27                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 11:01                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-19 11:01                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-19 12:29                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 12:29                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 12:58                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 12:58                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 15:29                                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-19 15:29                                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-19 15:29                                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-19 21:53                                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-19 21:53                                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-19 21:53                                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20  9:13                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20  9:13                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20 13:37                                                         ` Stefan Ring
2015-02-20 13:37                                                           ` Stefan Ring
2015-02-19 13:29                                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-19 13:29                                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-19 13:29                                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20  9:10                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20  9:10                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20 12:20                                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20 12:20                                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20 12:20                                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20 12:38                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20 12:38                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 21:43                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-19 21:43                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-20 12:48                                                     ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2015-02-20 12:48                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20 23:09                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-20 23:09                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-19 10:24                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-19 10:24                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-19 22:52                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-19 22:52                                             ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-20 10:36                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20 10:36                                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20 23:15                                               ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-20 23:15                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-21  3:20                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-02-21  3:20                                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-02-21  9:19                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-21  9:19                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-21 13:48                                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-21 13:48                                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-21 13:48                                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-21 21:38                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-21 21:38                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-21 21:38                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-22  0:20                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-22  0:20                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-23 10:48                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-23 10:48                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-23 10:48                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-23 11:23                                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-23 11:23                                                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-23 11:23                                                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-23 21:33                                                       ` David Rientjes
2015-02-23 21:33                                                         ` David Rientjes
2015-02-23 21:33                                                         ` David Rientjes
2015-02-22 14:48                                                     ` __GFP_NOFAIL and oom_killer_disabled? Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-23 10:21                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-23 13:03                                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-24 18:14                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-25 11:22                                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-25 16:02                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-25 21:48                                                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-25 21:51                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-21 12:00                                                   ` How to handle TIF_MEMDIE stalls? Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-21 12:00                                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-21 12:00                                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-23 10:26                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-23 10:26                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-23 10:26                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-21 11:12                                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-21 11:12                                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-21 21:48                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-21 21:48                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-21 23:52                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-21 23:52                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-23  0:45                                               ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-23  0:45                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-23  1:29                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-23  1:29                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-23  7:32                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-23  7:32                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-27 18:24                                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-27 18:24                                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-28  0:03                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-28  0:03                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-28 15:17                                                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-02-28 15:17                                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-02  9:39                                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-02  9:39                                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-02 22:31                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-02 22:31                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-03  9:13                                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-03  9:13                                                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-04  1:33                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04  1:33                                                             ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04  8:50                                                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-04  8:50                                                               ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-04 11:03                                                               ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04 11:03                                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-07  0:20                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-07  0:20                                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-07  3:43                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-07  3:43                                                             ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-07 15:08                                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-07 15:08                                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 20:22                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 20:22                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 23:12                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-02 23:12                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-03  2:50                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-03  2:50                                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-04  6:52                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04  6:52                                                             ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04 15:04                                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-04 15:04                                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-04 17:38                                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-04 17:38                                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-04 23:17                                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04 23:17                                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-28 16:29                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-28 16:29                                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-28 16:41                                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-02-28 16:41                                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-02-28 22:15                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-28 22:15                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 11:17                                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-01 11:17                                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-06 11:53                                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-06 11:53                                                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-01 13:43                                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-01 13:43                                                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-01 16:15                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 16:15                                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 19:36                                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-01 19:36                                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-01 20:44                                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 20:44                                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 20:17                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 20:17                                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 21:48                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-01 21:48                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-02  0:17                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-02  0:17                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-02 12:46                                                           ` Brian Foster
2015-03-02 12:46                                                             ` Brian Foster
2015-02-28 18:36                                                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-28 18:36                                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-02 15:18                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 15:18                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 16:05                                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 16:05                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 17:10                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 17:10                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 17:27                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 17:27                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 16:39                                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-02 16:39                                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-02 16:58                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 16:58                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-04 12:52                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04 12:52                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-17 14:59                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 14:50                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 14:37                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 14:44                               ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-16 11:23                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-16 15:42                             ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-17 11:57                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-17 13:16                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-17 16:50                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 23:25                                     ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-18  8:48                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 11:23                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-18 11:23                                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-18 12:29                                           ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 12:29                                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 14:06                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-18 14:06                                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-18 14:25                                               ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 10:48                                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-19 10:48                                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20  8:26                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20  8:26                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-23 22:08                                 ` David Rientjes
2015-02-24 11:20                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-24 15:20                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-02-24 21:02                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-25 14:31                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-27  7:39                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-27 12:42                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-27 13:12                                               ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04 12:41                                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-04 13:25                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04 14:11                                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-05  1:36                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-17 16:33                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-29 17:40                   ` [PATCH] mm: get rid of radix tree gfp mask for pagecache_get_page (was: Re: How to handle TIF_MEMDIE stalls?) Michal Hocko
2014-12-29 18:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2014-12-29 19:33                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-30 13:42                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-30 21:45                           ` Linus Torvalds

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