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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: "Dr. Philipp Tomsich" <philipp.tomsich@theobroma-systems.com>
Cc: Andreas Kraschitzer <andreas.kraschitzer@theobroma-systems.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Pinski, Andrew" <Andrew.Pinski@caviumnetworks.com>,
	Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de>, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Pinski <apinski@cavium.com>,
	Kumar Sankaran <ksankaran@apm.com>,
	Benedikt Huber <benedikt.huber@theobroma-systems.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Christoph Muellner <christoph.muellner@theobroma-systems.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/24] ILP32 for ARM64
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:27:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150416142703.GD819@e104818-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <09A21550-3538-4A8E-AB12-A9A516D3E866@theobroma-systems.com>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 01:19:14PM +0200, Dr. Philipp Tomsich wrote:
> Just for the record (and to avoid anyone wasting their time on what’s available
> today): we are migrating this over to option (a) now, even though we would
> prefer to see option (b) implemented.
> 
> If we get a consensus on (b) in the next couple of days, we’ll redo things for
> option (b). If not, we will have an implementation for option (a) available that
> we can hopefully all agree on merging.

When you post, please include the libc-alpha list (I think they are fine
with cross-posting), maybe only for the cover letter as that's where the
useful discussion seems to happen.

It's interesting to re-read some older posts on x32 (it's not just
time_t affected, though probably that the most visible):

https://lwn.net/Articles/457089/
https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-03/msg00487.html
https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-03/msg00574.html

Basically for x32 POSIX compliance doesn't seem too critical. IIUC, the
x32 wasn't added to solve a 32-bit compatibility problem but as a
potential optimisation for specific cases.

On ARM OTOH, (one of?) the main goal for AArch64 ILP32 is to offer a
solution for 32-bit code when AArch32 is not present (and potentially
slightly more optimal than AArch32 but not necessarily when compared to
LP64).

-- 
Catalin

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: catalin.marinas@arm.com (Catalin Marinas)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v4 00/24] ILP32 for ARM64
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:27:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150416142703.GD819@e104818-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <09A21550-3538-4A8E-AB12-A9A516D3E866@theobroma-systems.com>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 01:19:14PM +0200, Dr. Philipp Tomsich wrote:
> Just for the record (and to avoid anyone wasting their time on what?s available
> today): we are migrating this over to option (a) now, even though we would
> prefer to see option (b) implemented.
> 
> If we get a consensus on (b) in the next couple of days, we?ll redo things for
> option (b). If not, we will have an implementation for option (a) available that
> we can hopefully all agree on merging.

When you post, please include the libc-alpha list (I think they are fine
with cross-posting), maybe only for the cover letter as that's where the
useful discussion seems to happen.

It's interesting to re-read some older posts on x32 (it's not just
time_t affected, though probably that the most visible):

https://lwn.net/Articles/457089/
https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-03/msg00487.html
https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2012-03/msg00574.html

Basically for x32 POSIX compliance doesn't seem too critical. IIUC, the
x32 wasn't added to solve a 32-bit compatibility problem but as a
potential optimisation for specific cases.

On ARM OTOH, (one of?) the main goal for AArch64 ILP32 is to offer a
solution for 32-bit code when AArch32 is not present (and potentially
slightly more optimal than AArch32 but not necessarily when compared to
LP64).

-- 
Catalin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-04-16 14:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-13 19:44 [PATCH v4 00/24] ILP32 for ARM64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 01/24] arm64:ilp32: add documentation on the ILP32 ABI " Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 02/24] arm64: ensure the kernel is compiled for LP64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 03/24] arm64: rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 04/24] arm64: change some CONFIG_COMPAT over to use CONFIG_AARCH32_EL0 instead Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 05/24] arm64:ilp32: expose 'kernel_long' as 'long long' for ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 06/24] arm64:uapi: set __BITS_PER_LONG correctly for ILP32 and LP64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 07/24] arm64:ilp32: share signal structures between ILP32 and LP64 ABIs Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 08/24] arm64:ilp32: use 64bit syscall-names for ILP32 when passing 64bit registers Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 09/24] arm64:ilp32: use non-compat syscall names for ILP32 as for LP64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 10/24] arm64: introduce is_a32_task and is_a32_thread (for AArch32 compat) Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 11/24] arm64:ilp32: add is_ilp32_compat_{task,thread} and TIF_32BIT_AARCH64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` [PATCH v4 11/24] arm64:ilp32: add is_ilp32_compat_{task, thread} " Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 12/24] arm64:ilp32: COMPAT_USE_64BIT_TIME is true for ILP32 tasks Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 13/24] arm64:ilp32: share HWCAP between LP64 and ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 14/24] arm64:ilp32 use the native LP64 'start_thread' for ILP32 threads Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 15/24] arm64:ilp32: support core dump generation for ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 16/24] arm64: add support for starting ILP32 (ELFCLASS32) binaries Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 17/24] arm64:ilp32: add vdso-ilp32 and use for signal return Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 18/24] ptrace: Allow compat to use the native siginfo Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 19/24] arm64:ilp32: add sys_ilp32.c and a separate table (in entry.S) to use it Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 20/24] arm64:ilp32: use compat-syscalls for msgsnd and msgrcv for ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 21/24] arm64:ilp32: use the native siginfo instead of the compat siginfo Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 22/24] arm64:ilp32: use compat for stack_t Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-05-05  0:03   ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-05-05  0:03     ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 23/24] arm64:ilp32: change COMPAT_ELF_PLATFORM to report a a subplatform for ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 24/24] arm64:ilp32: add ARM64_ILP32 to Kconfig Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44   ` Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 21:01 ` [PATCH v4 00/24] ILP32 for ARM64 Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-13 21:01   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-13 22:58   ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 22:58     ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-14  9:33     ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-14 10:08       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 10:08         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 10:45         ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-14 10:45           ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-14 11:14           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 11:14             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 11:50             ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-14 11:50               ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-14 14:07               ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 14:07                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 14:54                 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 12:25                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 12:25                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 15:00                 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 15:00                   ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 22:28                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 22:28                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15  9:18                     ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15  9:18                       ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 10:01                       ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 10:01                         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 15:15                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 15:15                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 15:38                           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 15:38                             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 17:01                             ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 17:01                               ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 17:22                               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 17:22                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 22:25                                 ` Alexander Graf
2015-04-15 22:25                                   ` Alexander Graf
2015-04-16 11:03                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-16 11:03                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-16 11:19                                     ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-16 11:19                                       ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-16 11:33                                       ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-16 11:33                                         ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-16 13:31                                         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-16 13:31                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-16 15:21                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-16 15:21                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-17  9:01                                             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-17  9:01                                               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-17 13:17                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-17 13:17                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-17 14:06                                                 ` Alexander Graf
2015-04-17 14:06                                                   ` Alexander Graf
2015-04-17 14:46                                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-17 14:46                                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-17 15:15                                                   ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-17 15:15                                                     ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-18 19:24                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-18 19:24                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-05-04 10:29                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-05-04 10:29                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-05-04 10:32                                                         ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-05-04 10:32                                                           ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-05-04 14:43                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-05-04 14:43                                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-05-05 13:11                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-05-05 13:11                                                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-17 15:49                                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-17 15:49                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-20 15:56                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-20 15:56                                                       ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-20 17:40                                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-20 17:40                                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-20 14:37                                                 ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2015-04-20 14:37                                                   ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2015-04-16 14:27                                       ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2015-04-16 14:27                                         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 11:51             ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-14 11:51               ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-14 14:56               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 14:56                 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 13:38           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 13:38             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 14:47         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 14:47           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 15:29           ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-14 15:29             ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-14 16:55             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 16:55               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 10:31               ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 10:31                 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 12:47               ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 12:47                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 12:42             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 12:42               ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 15:44           ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 15:44             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 11:22             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 11:22               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 11:50               ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 15:49                 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 15:49                   ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14  9:40     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14  9:40       ` Arnd Bergmann

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