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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@odin.com>,
	umgwanakikbuti@gmail.com, mingo@elte.hu, ktkhai@parallels.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, tglx@linutronix.de, juri.lelli@gmail.com,
	pang.xunlei@linaro.org, wanpeng.li@linux.intel.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/14] hrtimer: Allow hrtimer::function() to free the timer
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:31:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150611073128.GQ19282@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150610160444.GB3341@redhat.com>

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 06:04:44PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> If we rely on the "locking" semantics of seqcount_t, this doesn't really
> differ from
> 
> 	spinlock_t LOCK;
> 	bool X = true, Y = false;
> 
> 	void read(void)
> 	{
> 		bool x, y;
> 
> 		spin_lock(LOCK);
> 		x = X; y = Y;
> 		spin_unlock(LOCK);
> 
> 		BUG_ON(!x && !y);
> 	}
> 
> 	void write(void)
> 	{
> 		Y = true;
> 
> 		spin_lock(LOCK);
> 		spin_unlock(LOCK);
> 
> 		X = false;
> 	}

So when I first saw that I went, wait what?

Because I looked at it like:

	Y = true;
	ACQUIRE
	RELEASE
	X = false;

And we both know that is not ordered at all.

But its the actual lock semantics that make it work, we cannot acquire
until the other completes, at which time the acquire matches its
release and things end up ordered again.

And its exactly that part we lost in our transformation C yesterday.

In any case, breakfast time, will go do the patches shortly.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-11  7:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-05  8:48 [PATCH 00/14] sched: balance callbacks Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 01/14] sched: Replace post_schedule with a balance callback list Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 02/14] sched: Use replace normalize_task() with __sched_setscheduler() Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 03/14] sched: Allow balance callbacks for check_class_changed() Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 04/14] sched,rt: Remove return value from pull_rt_task() Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 05/14] sched,rt: Convert switched_{from,to}_rt() / prio_changed_rt() to balance callbacks Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 06/14] sched,dl: Remove return value from pull_dl_task() Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 07/14] sched,dl: Convert switched_{from,to}_dl() / prio_changed_dl() to balance callbacks Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 08/14] hrtimer: Allow hrtimer::function() to free the timer Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  9:48   ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-06-07 19:43   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-07 22:33   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-07 22:56     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-08  8:06       ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-06-08  9:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-08 10:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-08 12:42       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-08 14:27         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-08 14:42           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-08 15:49             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-08 15:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-08 15:16             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-09 21:33         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-09 21:39           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-10  6:55           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-10  7:46           ` Kirill Tkhai
2015-06-10 16:04             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-11  7:31               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-06-11 16:25               ` Kirill Tkhai
2015-06-10 15:49           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-10 22:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-08 14:03       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-08 14:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-08 15:10         ` [PATCH 0/3] hrtimer: HRTIMER_STATE_ fixes Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-08 15:11           ` [PATCH 2/3] hrtimer: turn newstate arg of __remove_hrtimer() into clear_enqueued Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-08 15:11           ` [PATCH 3/3] hrtimer: fix the __hrtimer_start_range_ns() race with hrtimer_active() Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-08 15:12           ` [PATCH 1/3] hrtimer: kill HRTIMER_STATE_MIGRATE, fix the race with hrtimer_is_queued() Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-08 15:35           ` [PATCH 0/3] hrtimer: HRTIMER_STATE_ fixes Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-08 15:56             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-08 17:11             ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-06-08 19:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-08 20:52               ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-08 15:10         ` [PATCH 1/3] hrtimer: kill HRTIMER_STATE_MIGRATE, fix the race with hrtimer_is_queued() Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-08 15:13           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 09/14] sched,dl: Fix sched class hopping CBS hole Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 10/14] sched: Move code around Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 11/14] sched: Streamline the task migration locking a little Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 12/14] lockdep: Simplify lock_release() Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 13/14] lockdep: Implement lock pinning Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  9:55   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-11 11:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  8:48 ` [PATCH 14/14] sched,lockdep: Employ " Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05  9:57   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-05 11:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-05 11:24       ` Ingo Molnar

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