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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	tj@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	der.herr@hofr.at, dave@stgolabs.net, riel@redhat.com,
	viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 12/13] stop_machine: Remove lglock
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 07:39:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150623143935.GI3892@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150623105548.GE18673@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:55:48PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:09:32PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > We can of course slap a percpu-rwsem in, but I wonder if there's
> > anything smarter we can do here.
> 
> Urgh, we cannot use percpu-rwsem here, because that would require
> percpu_down_write_trylock(), and I'm not sure we can get around the
> sync_sched() for that.
> 
> Now try_stop_cpus(), which requires the down_write_trylock() is used to
> implement synchronize_sched_expedited().
> 
> Using sync_sched() to implement sync_sched_expedited would make me
> happy, but it does somewhat defeat the purpose.
> 
> 
> 
> Also, I think _expedited is used too eagerly, look at this:
> 
> +void dm_sync_table(struct mapped_device *md)
> +{
> +       synchronize_srcu(&md->io_barrier);
> +       synchronize_rcu_expedited();
> +}
> 
> sync_srcu() is slow already, why then bother with an
> sync_rcu_expedited() :/

Actually, this code was added in 2013, which was after the new variant of
synchronize_srcu(), which last I checked is reasonably fast in the common
case (no readers and not having tons of concurrent synchronize_srcu()
calls on the same srcu_struct), especially on systems with a small number
of CPUs, courtesy of srcu_read_lock()'s and srcu_read_unlock()'s read-side
memory barriers.

So synchronize_rcu() really would be expected to have quite a bit higher
latency than synchronize_srcu().

							Thanx, Paul


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-06-23 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-22 12:16 [RFC][PATCH 00/13] percpu rwsem -v2 Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 12:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/13] rcu: Create rcu_sync infrastructure Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 12:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/13] rcusync: Introduce struct rcu_sync_ops Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 12:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/13] rcusync: Add the CONFIG_PROVE_RCU checks Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 12:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/13] rcusync: Introduce rcu_sync_dtor() Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 12:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/13] percpu-rwsem: Optimize readers and reduce global impact Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 23:02   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-23  7:28   ` Nicholas Mc Guire
2015-06-25 19:08     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-25 19:17       ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-29  9:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-29 15:12           ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-29 15:14             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 12:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/13] percpu-rwsem: Provide percpu_down_read_trylock() Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 23:08   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-22 12:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/13] sched: Reorder task_struct Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 12:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/13] percpu-rwsem: DEFINE_STATIC_PERCPU_RWSEM Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 12:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/13] hotplug: Replace hotplug lock with percpu-rwsem Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 22:57   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-23  7:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-23 17:01       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-23 17:53         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24 13:50           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-24 14:13             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24 15:12               ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-24 16:15                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-28 23:56             ` [PATCH 0/3] percpu-rwsem: introduce percpu_rw_semaphore->recursive mode Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-28 23:56               ` [PATCH 1/3] rcusync: introduce rcu_sync_struct->exclusive mode Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-28 23:56               ` [PATCH 2/3] percpu-rwsem: don't use percpu_rw_semaphore->rw_sem to exclude writers Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-28 23:56               ` [PATCH 3/3] percpu-rwsem: introduce percpu_rw_semaphore->recursive mode Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-22 12:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/13] fs/locks: Replace lg_global with a percpu-rwsem Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 12:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/13] fs/locks: Replace lg_local with a per-cpu spinlock Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-23  0:19   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-22 12:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/13] stop_machine: Remove lglock Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 22:21   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-23 10:09     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-23 10:55       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-23 11:20         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-23 13:08           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-23 16:36             ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-23 17:30             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-23 18:04               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-23 18:26                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-23 19:05                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-24  2:23                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-24  8:32                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24  9:31                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24 13:48                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-24 15:01                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-24 15:34                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24  7:35                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24  8:42                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-24 13:39                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-24 13:43                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-24 14:03                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-24 14:50                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-24 15:01                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24 15:27                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-24 15:40                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24 16:09                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-24 16:42                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24 17:10                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-24 17:20                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-24 17:29                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24 17:28                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24 17:32                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24 18:14                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24 17:58                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-25  3:23                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-25 11:07                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-25 13:47                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-25 14:20                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-25 14:51                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-26 12:32                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-26 16:14                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-29  7:56                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-30 21:32                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 11:56                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 15:56                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-07-01 16:16                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-01 18:45                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-06-23 14:39         ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2015-06-23 16:20       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-23 17:24         ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-25 19:18           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 12:16 ` [RFC][PATCH 13/13] locking: " Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 12:36 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/13] percpu rwsem -v2 Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-22 18:11 ` Daniel Wagner
2015-06-22 19:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-23  9:35     ` Daniel Wagner
2015-06-23 10:00       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-23 14:34       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-23 14:56         ` Daniel Wagner
2015-06-23 17:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-23 19:36             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24  8:46               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-06-24  9:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-24  9:18                 ` Daniel Wagner
2015-07-01  5:57                   ` Daniel Wagner
2015-07-01 21:54                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-02  9:41                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-20  5:53                         ` Daniel Wagner
2015-07-20 18:44                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-22 20:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-06-23 16:10 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-06-23 16:21   ` Peter Zijlstra

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