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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>, Kees Cook <keescook@google.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 26/26] x86, pkeys: Documentation
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:59:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151003065906.GA23206@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151002070943.GA1623@gmail.com>


* Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:

> > It's quite likely that you will find that compilers put read-only constants in 
> > the text section, knowing that executable means readable.
> 
> At least with pkeys enabling true --x mappings, that compiler practice becomes a 
> (mild) security problem: it provides a readable and executable return target for 
> stack/buffer overflow attacks - FWIIW. (It's a limited concern because the true 
> code areas are executable already.)

Btw., it's not just security, there will also a robustness advantage to creating 
true PROT_EXEC mappings: right now if buggy user-space code accidentally 
references into an executable section: say uses a negative index in a table put 
into .rodata, the code will not crash, it will happily read from the .text area.

But if we mapped .text with true PROT_EXEC (and the CPU enforced that) then we'd 
get a nice segfault.

This has additional security benefits as well, beyond not providing readable ROP 
sites - which in fact look more significant than the ROP readability angle I 
mentioned initially.

So to sum it up, if we use true --x (non-readable PROT_EXEC) mappings using pkeys, 
we get the following benefits:

 - Overflows and other out of bounds accesses from .rodata (and other data
   sections near .text) will be caught by the CPU instead of silent data flow 
   corruption. This has robustness (and thus security) advantages.

 - True --x code is not readable, thus not 'soft-discoverable' via information 
   leaks for ROP purposes.

 - The version fingerprinting of unknown remote target binaries via information 
   leaks becomes harder as well.

 - The local (and remote) guessing of ASLR offsets via information leaks gets
   harder as well.

 - We get to test pkeys much more seriously than the opt-in special uses! :-)

Intel sent me pkeys test hardware, so I can give it a go in practice as well and 
see how well it works.

Thanks,

	Ingo

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>, Kees Cook <keescook@google.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 26/26] x86, pkeys: Documentation
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:59:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151003065906.GA23206@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151002070943.GA1623@gmail.com>


* Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:

> > It's quite likely that you will find that compilers put read-only constants in 
> > the text section, knowing that executable means readable.
> 
> At least with pkeys enabling true --x mappings, that compiler practice becomes a 
> (mild) security problem: it provides a readable and executable return target for 
> stack/buffer overflow attacks - FWIIW. (It's a limited concern because the true 
> code areas are executable already.)

Btw., it's not just security, there will also a robustness advantage to creating 
true PROT_EXEC mappings: right now if buggy user-space code accidentally 
references into an executable section: say uses a negative index in a table put 
into .rodata, the code will not crash, it will happily read from the .text area.

But if we mapped .text with true PROT_EXEC (and the CPU enforced that) then we'd 
get a nice segfault.

This has additional security benefits as well, beyond not providing readable ROP 
sites - which in fact look more significant than the ROP readability angle I 
mentioned initially.

So to sum it up, if we use true --x (non-readable PROT_EXEC) mappings using pkeys, 
we get the following benefits:

 - Overflows and other out of bounds accesses from .rodata (and other data
   sections near .text) will be caught by the CPU instead of silent data flow 
   corruption. This has robustness (and thus security) advantages.

 - True --x code is not readable, thus not 'soft-discoverable' via information 
   leaks for ROP purposes.

 - The version fingerprinting of unknown remote target binaries via information 
   leaks becomes harder as well.

 - The local (and remote) guessing of ASLR offsets via information leaks gets
   harder as well.

 - We get to test pkeys much more seriously than the opt-in special uses! :-)

Intel sent me pkeys test hardware, so I can give it a go in practice as well and 
see how well it works.

Thanks,

	Ingo

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-03  6:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 172+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-16 17:49 [PATCH 00/26] [RFCv2] x86: Memory Protection Keys Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 04/26] x86, pku: define new CR4 bit Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 03/26] x86, pkeys: cpuid bit definition Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 02/26] x86, pkeys: Add Kconfig option Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 01/26] x86, fpu: add placeholder for Processor Trace XSAVE state Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 07/26] x86, pkeys: new page fault error code bit: PF_PK Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 05/26] x86, pkey: add PKRU xsave fields and data structure(s) Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-22 19:53   ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-09-22 19:53     ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-09-22 19:58     ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-22 19:58       ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 06/26] x86, pkeys: PTE bits for storing protection key Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 10/26] x86, pkeys: notify userspace about protection key faults Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-22 20:03   ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-09-22 20:03     ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-09-22 20:21     ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-22 20:21       ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-22 20:27       ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-09-22 20:27         ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-09-22 20:29         ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-22 20:29           ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-23  8:05           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-23  8:05             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-24  9:23   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-24  9:23     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-24  9:30     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-24  9:30       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-24 17:41       ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-24 17:41         ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-25  7:11         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-25  7:11           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-25 23:18           ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-25 23:18             ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-26  6:20             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-26  6:20               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-27 22:39               ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-27 22:39                 ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-28  5:59                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-28  5:59                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-24 17:15     ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-24 17:15       ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-28 19:25       ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-09-28 19:25         ` Christian Borntraeger
2015-09-28 19:32         ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-28 19:32           ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 09/26] x86, pkeys: arch-specific protection bits Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 08/26] x86, pkeys: store protection in high VMA flags Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 11/26] x86, pkeys: add functions for set/fetch PKRU Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-22 20:05   ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-09-22 20:05     ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-09-22 20:22     ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-22 20:22       ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 14/26] x86, pkeys: check VMAs and PTEs for protection keys Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 12/26] mm: factor out VMA fault permission checking Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 13/26] mm: simplify get_user_pages() PTE bit handling Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 15/26] x86, pkeys: optimize fault handling in access_error() Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 16/26] x86, pkeys: dump PKRU with other kernel registers Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 17/26] x86, pkeys: dump PTE pkey in /proc/pid/smaps Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 19/26] [NEWSYSCALL] mm, multi-arch: pass a protection key in to calc_vm_flag_bits() Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 20/26] [NEWSYSCALL] mm: implement new mprotect_pkey() system call Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 18/26] x86, pkeys: add Kconfig prompt to existing config option Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 22/26] [HIJACKPROT] mm: Pass the 4-bit protection key in via PROT_ bits to syscalls Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 21/26] [NEWSYSCALL] x86: wire up mprotect_key() system call Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 24/26] [HIJACKPROT] x86, pkeys: mask off pkeys bits in mprotect() Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 25/26] x86, pkeys: actually enable Memory Protection Keys in CPU Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 23/26] [HIJACKPROT] x86, pkeys: add x86 version of arch_validate_prot() Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49 ` [PATCH 26/26] x86, pkeys: Documentation Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:49   ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-20  8:55   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-20  8:55     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-21  4:34     ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-21  4:34       ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-24  9:49       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-24  9:49         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-24 19:10         ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-24 19:10           ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-24 19:17           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-24 19:17             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-25  7:16             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-25  7:16               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-25  6:15           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-25  6:15             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-01 11:17           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-01 11:17             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-01 20:39             ` Kees Cook
2015-10-01 20:39               ` Kees Cook
2015-10-01 20:45               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-01 20:45                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-02  6:23                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-02  6:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-02 17:50                   ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-02 17:50                     ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-03  7:27                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-03  7:27                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-06 23:28                       ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-06 23:28                         ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-07  7:11                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-07  7:11                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-16 15:12                       ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-16 15:12                         ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-21 18:55                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-21 18:55                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-21 19:11                           ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-21 19:11                             ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-21 23:22                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-21 23:22                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-01 20:58               ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-01 20:58                 ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-01 22:33               ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-01 22:35                 ` Kees Cook
2015-10-01 22:35                   ` Kees Cook
2015-10-01 22:39                   ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-01 22:39                     ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-01 22:48                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-01 22:48                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-01 22:56                   ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-01 22:56                     ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-02  1:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-02  1:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-02 18:08                       ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-02 18:08                         ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-02  7:09                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-02  7:09                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-03  6:59                     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-10-03  6:59                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-02 11:49                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-10-02 11:49                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-10-02 11:58                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-02 11:58                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-10-02 12:14                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-10-02 12:14                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-10-03  6:46                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-03  6:46                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-01 22:57                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-01 22:57                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-02  6:09                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-02  6:09                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-03  8:17         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-03  8:17           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-10-07 20:24           ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-07 20:24             ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-07 20:39             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-07 20:39               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-07 20:47               ` Dave Hansen
2015-10-07 20:47                 ` Dave Hansen
2015-09-16 17:51 ` Fwd: [PATCH 00/26] [RFCv2] x86: Memory Protection Keys Dave Hansen

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