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From: Brian Norris <computersforpeace-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Martin Sperl <martin-d5rIkyn9cnPYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	Heiner Kallweit
	<hkallweit1-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-mtd-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	"linux-spi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-spi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: RfC: Handle SPI controller limitations like maximum message length
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:07:46 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151120000746.GQ64635@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151119171538.GO31303-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 05:15:38PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 04:00:45PM +0100, Martin Sperl wrote:
> > On the bcm2835 there are also some “limitations” (when transfers are not aligned
> > to word, transfers>65535 can’t DMA) which we work around right now inefficiently.
> 
> Alignment is a general issue which all clients should be trying to
> ensure as a matter of course - never mind individual blocks of hardware,
> some common CPU architectures suffer noticable penalties from unaligned
> accesses so it's just generally good practice to try to avoid them.
> 
> You shouldn't be doing anything about transfer size limitations in your
> driver, if you have this restriction you should be adding code to the
> core and just flagging the limit in your driver.

So for transfer size limitations, are you speaking of the same thing as
Heiner (who began this post mentioning *message* size limitations)? I
read a difference between the two, where a transfer size limitation
might mean that one could improve the SPI core to just split transfers
up into multiple sub-transfers, and still complete the whole
spi_message (and therefore the protocol driver has less to worry about).
But if we're talking about spi_message limitations, then this would be
more exposed to the protocol driver.

Or maybe I'm just reading this all wrong and am confused. Please
enlighten.

Regards,
Brian
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From: Brian Norris <computersforpeace@gmail.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Martin Sperl <martin@sperl.org>,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	"linux-spi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-spi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: RfC: Handle SPI controller limitations like maximum message length
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:07:46 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151120000746.GQ64635@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151119171538.GO31303@sirena.org.uk>

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 05:15:38PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 04:00:45PM +0100, Martin Sperl wrote:
> > On the bcm2835 there are also some “limitations” (when transfers are not aligned
> > to word, transfers>65535 can’t DMA) which we work around right now inefficiently.
> 
> Alignment is a general issue which all clients should be trying to
> ensure as a matter of course - never mind individual blocks of hardware,
> some common CPU architectures suffer noticable penalties from unaligned
> accesses so it's just generally good practice to try to avoid them.
> 
> You shouldn't be doing anything about transfer size limitations in your
> driver, if you have this restriction you should be adding code to the
> core and just flagging the limit in your driver.

So for transfer size limitations, are you speaking of the same thing as
Heiner (who began this post mentioning *message* size limitations)? I
read a difference between the two, where a transfer size limitation
might mean that one could improve the SPI core to just split transfers
up into multiple sub-transfers, and still complete the whole
spi_message (and therefore the protocol driver has less to worry about).
But if we're talking about spi_message limitations, then this would be
more exposed to the protocol driver.

Or maybe I'm just reading this all wrong and am confused. Please
enlighten.

Regards,
Brian

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-11-20  0:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-18 21:19 RfC: Handle SPI controller limitations like maximum message length Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-18 21:19 ` Heiner Kallweit
     [not found] ` <564CEB61.2000601-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-18 21:57   ` Mark Brown
2015-11-18 21:57     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]     ` <20151118215755.GL31303-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-18 22:50       ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-18 22:50         ` Heiner Kallweit
     [not found]         ` <564D0098.4030107-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-19 11:40           ` Mark Brown
2015-11-19 11:40             ` Mark Brown
     [not found]             ` <20151119114057.GN31303-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-19 15:00               ` Martin Sperl
2015-11-19 15:00                 ` Martin Sperl
     [not found]                 ` <F224F5F3-FAD5-47FE-9419-39E53BCBB8C6-d5rIkyn9cnPYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-19 17:15                   ` Mark Brown
2015-11-19 17:15                     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                     ` <20151119171538.GO31303-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20  0:07                       ` Brian Norris [this message]
2015-11-20  0:07                         ` Brian Norris
     [not found]                         ` <20151120000746.GQ64635-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 11:06                           ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20 11:06                             ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                             ` <20151120110616.GR31303-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 11:16                               ` Martin Sperl
2015-11-20 11:16                                 ` Martin Sperl
2015-11-20 10:18                       ` Martin Sperl
2015-11-20 10:18                         ` Martin Sperl
     [not found]                         ` <9CDADBED-FD18-4635-82A9-5AB14C9ABCAE-d5rIkyn9cnPYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 12:05                           ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20 12:05                             ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                             ` <20151120120502.GT31303-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 12:56                               ` Martin Sperl
2015-11-20 12:56                                 ` Martin Sperl
     [not found]                                 ` <08871ECD-52DF-4CBF-AF3D-4C3A442C008A-d5rIkyn9cnPYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-21 13:49                                   ` Mark Brown
2015-11-21 13:49                                     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                     ` <20151121134946.GI26072-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-21 14:10                                       ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-21 14:10                                         ` Heiner Kallweit
     [not found]                                         ` <56507B3B.4080608-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-21 15:57                                           ` Michal Suchanek
2015-11-21 15:57                                             ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]                                             ` <CAOMqctR=UDEPbgJDY3YvxpbVEEp4t6ajkyv=cVAZp2fLBNBanA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-21 22:59                                               ` [PATCH 0/3] spi: mtd: Handle HW message length restrictions Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-21 22:59                                                 ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-21 23:01                                               ` [PATCH 1/3] spi: core: add max_msg_size to spi_master Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-21 23:01                                                 ` Heiner Kallweit
     [not found]                                                 ` <5650F7D4.1090209-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-22 13:16                                                   ` Mark Brown
2015-11-22 13:16                                                     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                                     ` <20151122131626.GN26072-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-22 16:15                                                       ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-22 16:15                                                         ` Heiner Kallweit
     [not found]                                                         ` <5651EA08.5090400-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-23 11:38                                                           ` Mark Brown
2015-11-23 11:38                                                             ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                                             ` <20151123113846.GH1929-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-27 19:26                                                               ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-27 19:26                                                                 ` Heiner Kallweit
     [not found]                                                                 ` <5658AE7C.3050507-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-30 16:42                                                                   ` Mark Brown
2015-11-30 16:42                                                                     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20151130164223.GE1929-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-30 20:15                                                                       ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-30 20:15                                                                         ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-21 23:08                                               ` [PATCH 2/3] mtd: m25p80: handle HW message size restrictions Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-21 23:08                                                 ` Heiner Kallweit
     [not found]                                                 ` <5650F952.2060409-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-22 12:51                                                   ` Michal Suchanek
2015-11-22 12:51                                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2015-11-21 23:11                                               ` [PATCH 3/3] spi: fsl-espi: make use of max_msg_size in spi_master to handle HW restrictions Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-21 23:11                                                 ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-30 20:24                                               ` [PATCH v2 1/2] spi: core: add max_msg_size to spi_master Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-30 20:24                                                 ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-30 20:25                                               ` [PATCH resubmit 2/2] spi: fsl-espi: make use of max_msg_size in spi_master to handle HW restrictions Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-30 20:25                                                 ` Heiner Kallweit
     [not found]                                                 ` <565CB0C0.9060104-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-01 14:19                                                   ` Mark Brown
2015-12-01 14:19                                                     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                                     ` <20151201141923.GJ1929-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-01 18:53                                                       ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-12-01 18:53                                                         ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-22 13:19                                           ` RfC: Handle SPI controller limitations like maximum message length Mark Brown
2015-11-22 13:19                                             ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20  0:02   ` Brian Norris
2015-11-20  0:02     ` Brian Norris
     [not found]     ` <20151120000226.GP64635-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20  6:59       ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-20  6:59         ` Heiner Kallweit
     [not found]         ` <564EC4E0.90602-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 10:06           ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-20 10:06             ` Heiner Kallweit
     [not found]             ` <CAFSsGVsJBi6yPin7X9MCS8LD6nygjynfgDgFicjojkm0rOJSJw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 12:35               ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20 12:35                 ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                 ` <20151120123540.GC1929-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 18:59                   ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-20 18:59                     ` Heiner Kallweit
     [not found]                     ` <564F6D99.8090203-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 19:05                       ` Michal Suchanek
2015-11-20 19:05                         ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]                         ` <CAOMqctTt=78C4m2jjMb9mRBOkoZ5uZ4neVm0NS39iNO8otn=dA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 19:21                           ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20 19:21                             ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                             ` <20151120192157.GF1929-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 19:44                               ` Michal Suchanek
2015-11-20 19:44                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2015-11-20 23:22                           ` Brian Norris
2015-11-20 23:22                             ` Brian Norris
     [not found]                             ` <20151120232211.GA64635-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-21 22:53                               ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-21 22:53                                 ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-20 19:18                       ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20 19:18                         ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                         ` <20151120191842.GE1929-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 19:37                           ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-20 19:37                             ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-20 12:31       ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20 12:31         ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20 12:56   ` Michal Suchanek
2015-11-20 12:56     ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]     ` <CAOMqctQo58yCfzU3u=u3N0zNfhQph2Pw2vnrxsVvAEXi5n2HRw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 23:07       ` Brian Norris
2015-11-20 23:07         ` Brian Norris

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