crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Daniel Kiper]

Hi all,

Some time ago Linux kernel commit 054954eb051f35e74b75a566a96fe756015352c8
(xen: switch to linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list) introduced linear
virtual mapped sparse p2m list. It fixed some issues, however, it broke
crash tool too. I tried to fix this issue but the problem looks more
difficult than I expected.

Let's focus on "crash vmcore vmlinux". vmcore file was generated from dom0.
"crash vmcore xen-syms" works without any issue.

At first sight problem looks simple. Just add a function which reads p2m list
from vmcore and voila. I have done it. Then another issue arisen.

Please take a look at following backtrace:

#24426 0x000000000048b0f6 in readmem (addr=18446683600570023936, memtype=1, buffer=0x3c0a060, size=4096,
    type=0x900b2f "xen_p2m_addr page", error_handle=2) at memory.c:2157
#24427 0x000000000050f746 in __xen_pvops_m2p_vma (machine=5323599872, mfn=1299707) at kernel.c:9050
#24428 0x000000000050edb7 in __xen_m2p (machine=5323599872, mfn=1299707) at kernel.c:8867
#24429 0x000000000050e948 in xen_m2p (machine=5323599872) at kernel.c:8796
#24430 0x0000000000528fca in x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7c100, verbose=0)
    at x86_64.c:1997
#24431 0x0000000000528890 in x86_64_kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7c100, verbose=0)
    at x86_64.c:1887
#24432 0x000000000048d708 in kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7c100, verbose=0) at memory.c:2900
#24433 0x000000000048b0f6 in readmem (addr=18446683600570023936, memtype=1, buffer=0x3c0a060, size=4096,
    type=0x900b2f "xen_p2m_addr page", error_handle=2) at memory.c:2157
#24434 0x000000000050f746 in __xen_pvops_m2p_vma (machine=5323599872, mfn=1299707) at kernel.c:9050
#24435 0x000000000050edb7 in __xen_m2p (machine=5323599872, mfn=1299707) at kernel.c:8867
#24436 0x000000000050e948 in xen_m2p (machine=5323599872) at kernel.c:8796
#24437 0x0000000000528fca in x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7ca60, verbose=0)
    at x86_64.c:1997
#24438 0x0000000000528890 in x86_64_kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7ca60, verbose=0)
    at x86_64.c:1887
#24439 0x000000000048d708 in kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7ca60, verbose=0) at memory.c:2900
#24440 0x000000000048b0f6 in readmem (addr=18446683600570023936, memtype=1, buffer=0x3c0a060, size=4096,
    type=0x900b2f "xen_p2m_addr page", error_handle=2) at memory.c:2157
#24441 0x000000000050f746 in __xen_pvops_m2p_vma (machine=6364917760, mfn=1553935) at kernel.c:9050
#24442 0x000000000050edb7 in __xen_m2p (machine=6364917760, mfn=1553935) at kernel.c:8867
#24443 0x000000000050e948 in xen_m2p (machine=6364917760) at kernel.c:8796
#24444 0x0000000000528fca in x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446744072099176512, paddr=0x7fff51c7d3c0, verbose=0)
    at x86_64.c:1997
#24445 0x0000000000528890 in x86_64_kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446744072099176512, paddr=0x7fff51c7d3c0, verbose=0)
    at x86_64.c:1887
#24446 0x000000000048d708 in kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446744072099176512, paddr=0x7fff51c7d3c0, verbose=0) at memory.c:2900
#24447 0x000000000048b0f6 in readmem (addr=18446744072099176512, memtype=1, buffer=0xfbb500, size=768,
    type=0x8fd772 "module struct", error_handle=6) at memory.c:2157
#24448 0x00000000004fb0ab in module_init () at kernel.c:3355

As you can see module_init() calls readmem() which attempts to read virtual address
which lies outside of kernel text mapping (0xffffffff80000000 - 0xffffffffa0000000).
In this case addr=18446744072099176512 == 0xffffffffa003a040 which is known as module
mapping space. readmem() needs physical address, so, it calls kvtop() then kvtop()
calls x86_64_kvtop(). x86_64_kvtop() is not able to easily calculate, using simple
arithmetic like in case of kernel text mapping space, physical address from virtual
address. Hence it calls x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt() to calculate it by traversing page
tables. x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt() needs to do some m2p translation so it calls xen_m2p()
which calls __xen_m2p() and finally it calls __xen_pvops_m2p_vma() (my function which
tries to read linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list). Then __xen_pvops_m2p_vma() calls
readmem() which tries to read addr=18446683600570023936 == 0xffffc90000000000 which
is VMA used for m2p list. Well, once again physical address must be calculated by
traversing page tables. However, this requires access to m2p list which leads to
another readmem() call. Starting from here we are in the loop. After thousands of
repetitions crash dies due to stack overflow. Not nice... :-(((

Do we have any viable fix for this issue? I considered a few but I have not found prefect one.

1) In theory we can use p2m tree to solve that problem because it is available in parallel
   with VMA mapped p2m right now. However, this is temporary solution and it will be phased
   out sooner or later. We need long term solution.

2) As I saw crash tool creates xkd->p2m_mfn_frame_list from Xen crash_xen_info_t.dom0_pfn_to_mfn_frame_list_list
   in dom0 case. Potentially this would solve the problem for dom0 crash dumps but it does
   not solve the problem for PV guests in general. We need something which is more generic.

3) The best thing which I was able to think of is to put list of PFNs containing p2m list
   somewhere in ELF notes. Then readmem() called from __xen_pvops_m2p_vma() could use this
   physical addresses calculated from PFNs somehow. However, this is also not perfect because
   it requires changes in kernel, and/or xl and crash. Additionally, this solution increases
   ELF notes. Every 1 GiB of memory will add 2 MiB of PFNs to ELF note. Probably there is
   a chance that we can employ a compression method to reduce ELF note size but...

So, as you can see there is not perfect solution for this issue.
Hmmm... Should we mix solution #2 and #3? Is it better thing?

Daniel

Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Juergen Gross]

On 23/11/15 21:18, Daniel Kiper wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Some time ago Linux kernel commit 054954eb051f35e74b75a566a96fe756015352c8
> (xen: switch to linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list) introduced linear
> virtual mapped sparse p2m list. It fixed some issues, however, it broke
> crash tool too. I tried to fix this issue but the problem looks more
> difficult than I expected.
> 
> Let's focus on "crash vmcore vmlinux". vmcore file was generated from dom0.
> "crash vmcore xen-syms" works without any issue.
> 
> At first sight problem looks simple. Just add a function which reads p2m list
> from vmcore and voila. I have done it. Then another issue arisen.
> 
> Please take a look at following backtrace:
> 
> #24426 0x000000000048b0f6 in readmem (addr=18446683600570023936, memtype=1, buffer=0x3c0a060, size=4096,
>     type=0x900b2f "xen_p2m_addr page", error_handle=2) at memory.c:2157
> #24427 0x000000000050f746 in __xen_pvops_m2p_vma (machine=5323599872, mfn=1299707) at kernel.c:9050
> #24428 0x000000000050edb7 in __xen_m2p (machine=5323599872, mfn=1299707) at kernel.c:8867
> #24429 0x000000000050e948 in xen_m2p (machine=5323599872) at kernel.c:8796
> #24430 0x0000000000528fca in x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7c100, verbose=0)
>     at x86_64.c:1997
> #24431 0x0000000000528890 in x86_64_kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7c100, verbose=0)
>     at x86_64.c:1887
> #24432 0x000000000048d708 in kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7c100, verbose=0) at memory.c:2900
> #24433 0x000000000048b0f6 in readmem (addr=18446683600570023936, memtype=1, buffer=0x3c0a060, size=4096,
>     type=0x900b2f "xen_p2m_addr page", error_handle=2) at memory.c:2157
> #24434 0x000000000050f746 in __xen_pvops_m2p_vma (machine=5323599872, mfn=1299707) at kernel.c:9050
> #24435 0x000000000050edb7 in __xen_m2p (machine=5323599872, mfn=1299707) at kernel.c:8867
> #24436 0x000000000050e948 in xen_m2p (machine=5323599872) at kernel.c:8796
> #24437 0x0000000000528fca in x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7ca60, verbose=0)
>     at x86_64.c:1997
> #24438 0x0000000000528890 in x86_64_kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7ca60, verbose=0)
>     at x86_64.c:1887
> #24439 0x000000000048d708 in kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7ca60, verbose=0) at memory.c:2900
> #24440 0x000000000048b0f6 in readmem (addr=18446683600570023936, memtype=1, buffer=0x3c0a060, size=4096,
>     type=0x900b2f "xen_p2m_addr page", error_handle=2) at memory.c:2157
> #24441 0x000000000050f746 in __xen_pvops_m2p_vma (machine=6364917760, mfn=1553935) at kernel.c:9050
> #24442 0x000000000050edb7 in __xen_m2p (machine=6364917760, mfn=1553935) at kernel.c:8867
> #24443 0x000000000050e948 in xen_m2p (machine=6364917760) at kernel.c:8796
> #24444 0x0000000000528fca in x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446744072099176512, paddr=0x7fff51c7d3c0, verbose=0)
>     at x86_64.c:1997
> #24445 0x0000000000528890 in x86_64_kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446744072099176512, paddr=0x7fff51c7d3c0, verbose=0)
>     at x86_64.c:1887
> #24446 0x000000000048d708 in kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446744072099176512, paddr=0x7fff51c7d3c0, verbose=0) at memory.c:2900
> #24447 0x000000000048b0f6 in readmem (addr=18446744072099176512, memtype=1, buffer=0xfbb500, size=768,
>     type=0x8fd772 "module struct", error_handle=6) at memory.c:2157
> #24448 0x00000000004fb0ab in module_init () at kernel.c:3355
> 
> As you can see module_init() calls readmem() which attempts to read virtual address
> which lies outside of kernel text mapping (0xffffffff80000000 - 0xffffffffa0000000).
> In this case addr=18446744072099176512 == 0xffffffffa003a040 which is known as module
> mapping space. readmem() needs physical address, so, it calls kvtop() then kvtop()
> calls x86_64_kvtop(). x86_64_kvtop() is not able to easily calculate, using simple
> arithmetic like in case of kernel text mapping space, physical address from virtual
> address. Hence it calls x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt() to calculate it by traversing page
> tables. x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt() needs to do some m2p translation so it calls xen_m2p()
> which calls __xen_m2p() and finally it calls __xen_pvops_m2p_vma() (my function which
> tries to read linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list). Then __xen_pvops_m2p_vma() calls
> readmem() which tries to read addr=18446683600570023936 == 0xffffc90000000000 which
> is VMA used for m2p list. Well, once again physical address must be calculated by
> traversing page tables. However, this requires access to m2p list which leads to
> another readmem() call. Starting from here we are in the loop. After thousands of
> repetitions crash dies due to stack overflow. Not nice... :-(((
> 
> Do we have any viable fix for this issue? I considered a few but I have not found prefect one.
> 
> 1) In theory we can use p2m tree to solve that problem because it is available in parallel
>    with VMA mapped p2m right now. However, this is temporary solution and it will be phased
>    out sooner or later. We need long term solution.
> 
> 2) As I saw crash tool creates xkd->p2m_mfn_frame_list from Xen crash_xen_info_t.dom0_pfn_to_mfn_frame_list_list
>    in dom0 case. Potentially this would solve the problem for dom0 crash dumps but it does
>    not solve the problem for PV guests in general. We need something which is more generic.
> 
> 3) The best thing which I was able to think of is to put list of PFNs containing p2m list
>    somewhere in ELF notes. Then readmem() called from __xen_pvops_m2p_vma() could use this
>    physical addresses calculated from PFNs somehow. However, this is also not perfect because
>    it requires changes in kernel, and/or xl and crash. Additionally, this solution increases
>    ELF notes. Every 1 GiB of memory will add 2 MiB of PFNs to ELF note. Probably there is
>    a chance that we can employ a compression method to reduce ELF note size but...

What about:

4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
   conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
   available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
   working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.


Juergen

Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Juergen Gross]

On 23/11/15 21:18, Daniel Kiper wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Some time ago Linux kernel commit 054954eb051f35e74b75a566a96fe756015352c8
> (xen: switch to linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list) introduced linear
> virtual mapped sparse p2m list. It fixed some issues, however, it broke
> crash tool too. I tried to fix this issue but the problem looks more
> difficult than I expected.
> 
> Let's focus on "crash vmcore vmlinux". vmcore file was generated from dom0.
> "crash vmcore xen-syms" works without any issue.
> 
> At first sight problem looks simple. Just add a function which reads p2m list
> from vmcore and voila. I have done it. Then another issue arisen.
> 
> Please take a look at following backtrace:
> 
> #24426 0x000000000048b0f6 in readmem (addr=18446683600570023936, memtype=1, buffer=0x3c0a060, size=4096,
>     type=0x900b2f "xen_p2m_addr page", error_handle=2) at memory.c:2157
> #24427 0x000000000050f746 in __xen_pvops_m2p_vma (machine=5323599872, mfn=1299707) at kernel.c:9050
> #24428 0x000000000050edb7 in __xen_m2p (machine=5323599872, mfn=1299707) at kernel.c:8867
> #24429 0x000000000050e948 in xen_m2p (machine=5323599872) at kernel.c:8796
> #24430 0x0000000000528fca in x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7c100, verbose=0)
>     at x86_64.c:1997
> #24431 0x0000000000528890 in x86_64_kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7c100, verbose=0)
>     at x86_64.c:1887
> #24432 0x000000000048d708 in kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7c100, verbose=0) at memory.c:2900
> #24433 0x000000000048b0f6 in readmem (addr=18446683600570023936, memtype=1, buffer=0x3c0a060, size=4096,
>     type=0x900b2f "xen_p2m_addr page", error_handle=2) at memory.c:2157
> #24434 0x000000000050f746 in __xen_pvops_m2p_vma (machine=5323599872, mfn=1299707) at kernel.c:9050
> #24435 0x000000000050edb7 in __xen_m2p (machine=5323599872, mfn=1299707) at kernel.c:8867
> #24436 0x000000000050e948 in xen_m2p (machine=5323599872) at kernel.c:8796
> #24437 0x0000000000528fca in x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7ca60, verbose=0)
>     at x86_64.c:1997
> #24438 0x0000000000528890 in x86_64_kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7ca60, verbose=0)
>     at x86_64.c:1887
> #24439 0x000000000048d708 in kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446683600570023936, paddr=0x7fff51c7ca60, verbose=0) at memory.c:2900
> #24440 0x000000000048b0f6 in readmem (addr=18446683600570023936, memtype=1, buffer=0x3c0a060, size=4096,
>     type=0x900b2f "xen_p2m_addr page", error_handle=2) at memory.c:2157
> #24441 0x000000000050f746 in __xen_pvops_m2p_vma (machine=6364917760, mfn=1553935) at kernel.c:9050
> #24442 0x000000000050edb7 in __xen_m2p (machine=6364917760, mfn=1553935) at kernel.c:8867
> #24443 0x000000000050e948 in xen_m2p (machine=6364917760) at kernel.c:8796
> #24444 0x0000000000528fca in x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446744072099176512, paddr=0x7fff51c7d3c0, verbose=0)
>     at x86_64.c:1997
> #24445 0x0000000000528890 in x86_64_kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446744072099176512, paddr=0x7fff51c7d3c0, verbose=0)
>     at x86_64.c:1887
> #24446 0x000000000048d708 in kvtop (tc=0x0, kvaddr=18446744072099176512, paddr=0x7fff51c7d3c0, verbose=0) at memory.c:2900
> #24447 0x000000000048b0f6 in readmem (addr=18446744072099176512, memtype=1, buffer=0xfbb500, size=768,
>     type=0x8fd772 "module struct", error_handle=6) at memory.c:2157
> #24448 0x00000000004fb0ab in module_init () at kernel.c:3355
> 
> As you can see module_init() calls readmem() which attempts to read virtual address
> which lies outside of kernel text mapping (0xffffffff80000000 - 0xffffffffa0000000).
> In this case addr=18446744072099176512 == 0xffffffffa003a040 which is known as module
> mapping space. readmem() needs physical address, so, it calls kvtop() then kvtop()
> calls x86_64_kvtop(). x86_64_kvtop() is not able to easily calculate, using simple
> arithmetic like in case of kernel text mapping space, physical address from virtual
> address. Hence it calls x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt() to calculate it by traversing page
> tables. x86_64_kvtop_xen_wpt() needs to do some m2p translation so it calls xen_m2p()
> which calls __xen_m2p() and finally it calls __xen_pvops_m2p_vma() (my function which
> tries to read linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list). Then __xen_pvops_m2p_vma() calls
> readmem() which tries to read addr=18446683600570023936 == 0xffffc90000000000 which
> is VMA used for m2p list. Well, once again physical address must be calculated by
> traversing page tables. However, this requires access to m2p list which leads to
> another readmem() call. Starting from here we are in the loop. After thousands of
> repetitions crash dies due to stack overflow. Not nice... :-(((
> 
> Do we have any viable fix for this issue? I considered a few but I have not found prefect one.
> 
> 1) In theory we can use p2m tree to solve that problem because it is available in parallel
>    with VMA mapped p2m right now. However, this is temporary solution and it will be phased
>    out sooner or later. We need long term solution.
> 
> 2) As I saw crash tool creates xkd->p2m_mfn_frame_list from Xen crash_xen_info_t.dom0_pfn_to_mfn_frame_list_list
>    in dom0 case. Potentially this would solve the problem for dom0 crash dumps but it does
>    not solve the problem for PV guests in general. We need something which is more generic.
> 
> 3) The best thing which I was able to think of is to put list of PFNs containing p2m list
>    somewhere in ELF notes. Then readmem() called from __xen_pvops_m2p_vma() could use this
>    physical addresses calculated from PFNs somehow. However, this is also not perfect because
>    it requires changes in kernel, and/or xl and crash. Additionally, this solution increases
>    ELF notes. Every 1 GiB of memory will add 2 MiB of PFNs to ELF note. Probably there is
>    a chance that we can employ a compression method to reduce ELF note size but...

What about:

4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
   conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
   available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
   working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.


Juergen

Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Jan Beulich]

>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
> What about:
> 
> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.

I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
about the tool.)

Jan

Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Jan Beulich]

>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
> What about:
> 
> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.

I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
about the tool.)

Jan

Re: [Xen-devel] crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Malcolm Crossley]

On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>> What about:
>>
>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
> 
> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
> about the tool.)
> 
I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
their p2m mapping.

Malcolm

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Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Malcolm Crossley]

On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>> What about:
>>
>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
> 
> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
> about the tool.)
> 
I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
their p2m mapping.

Malcolm

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Re: [Xen-devel] crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[David Vrabel]

On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
> On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>>> What about:
>>>
>>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
>>
>> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
>> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
>> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
>> about the tool.)
>>
> I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
> PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
> their p2m mapping.

This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
crash tool.

David

Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[David Vrabel]

On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
> On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>>> What about:
>>>
>>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
>>
>> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
>> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
>> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
>> about the tool.)
>>
> I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
> PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
> their p2m mapping.

This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
crash tool.

David

Re: [Xen-devel] crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Petr Tesarik]

On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:

> On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
> > On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
> >>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
> >>> What about:
> >>>
> >>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
> >>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
> >>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
> >>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
> >>
> >> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
> >> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
> >> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
> >> about the tool.)
> >>
> > I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
> > PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
> > their p2m mapping.
> 
> This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
> crash tool.

True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
mapping in the dump.

Petr T

Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Petr Tesarik]

On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:

> On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
> > On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
> >>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
> >>> What about:
> >>>
> >>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
> >>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
> >>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
> >>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
> >>
> >> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
> >> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
> >> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
> >> about the tool.)
> >>
> > I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
> > PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
> > their p2m mapping.
> 
> This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
> crash tool.

True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
mapping in the dump.

Petr T

Re: [Xen-devel] crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Andrew Cooper]

On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
> David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
>
>> On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
>>> On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>>>>> What about:
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>>>>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>>>>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>>>>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
>>>> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
>>>> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
>>>> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
>>>> about the tool.)
>>>>
>>> I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
>>> PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
>>> their p2m mapping.
>> This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
>> crash tool.
> True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
> find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
> some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
> mapping in the dump.

The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
for PV guests.

Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.

This will be more compatible to use, as it won't depend on a newer
hypervisor with modified notes.

~Andrew

Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Andrew Cooper]

On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
> David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
>
>> On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
>>> On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>>>>> What about:
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>>>>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>>>>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>>>>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
>>>> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
>>>> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
>>>> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
>>>> about the tool.)
>>>>
>>> I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
>>> PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
>>> their p2m mapping.
>> This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
>> crash tool.
> True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
> find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
> some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
> mapping in the dump.

The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
for PV guests.

Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.

This will be more compatible to use, as it won't depend on a newer
hypervisor with modified notes.

~Andrew

Re: [Xen-devel] crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Petr Tesarik]

V Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:35:03 +0000
Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> napsáno:

> On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
> > David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
> >>> On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
> >>>>> What about:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
> >>>>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
> >>>>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
> >>>>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
> >>>> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
> >>>> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
> >>>> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
> >>>> about the tool.)
> >>>>
> >>> I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
> >>> PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
> >>> their p2m mapping.
> >> This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
> >> crash tool.
> > True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
> > find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
> > some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
> > mapping in the dump.
> 
> The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
> for PV guests.
> 
> Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.

Hm, this is nice, but kind of chicken-and-egg problem. A system dump
contains a snapshot of the machine's RAM. But the addresses you
mentioned are virtual addresses. How do I translate them to physical
addresses without an m2p mapping? I need at least the value of CR3 for
that domain, and most likely a way to determine if it is a PV domain.

Petr T

Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Petr Tesarik]

V Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:35:03 +0000
Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> napsáno:

> On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
> > David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
> >>> On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
> >>>>> What about:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
> >>>>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
> >>>>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
> >>>>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
> >>>> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
> >>>> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
> >>>> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
> >>>> about the tool.)
> >>>>
> >>> I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
> >>> PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
> >>> their p2m mapping.
> >> This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
> >> crash tool.
> > True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
> > find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
> > some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
> > mapping in the dump.
> 
> The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
> for PV guests.
> 
> Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.

Hm, this is nice, but kind of chicken-and-egg problem. A system dump
contains a snapshot of the machine's RAM. But the addresses you
mentioned are virtual addresses. How do I translate them to physical
addresses without an m2p mapping? I need at least the value of CR3 for
that domain, and most likely a way to determine if it is a PV domain.

Petr T

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Re: [Xen-devel] crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Jan Beulich]

>>> On 24.11.15 at 13:57, <ptesarik@suse.cz> wrote:
> V Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:35:03 +0000
> Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> napsáno:
> 
>> On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
>> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
>> > David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
>> >>> On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> What about:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>> >>>>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>> >>>>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>> >>>>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
>> >>>> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
>> >>>> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
>> >>>> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
>> >>>> about the tool.)
>> >>>>
>> >>> I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
>> >>> PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
>> >>> their p2m mapping.
>> >> This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
>> >> crash tool.
>> > True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
>> > find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
>> > some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
>> > mapping in the dump.
>> 
>> The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
>> for PV guests.
>> 
>> Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.
> 
> Hm, this is nice, but kind of chicken-and-egg problem. A system dump
> contains a snapshot of the machine's RAM. But the addresses you
> mentioned are virtual addresses. How do I translate them to physical
> addresses without an m2p mapping? I need at least the value of CR3 for
> that domain, and most likely a way to determine if it is a PV domain.

This ought to also be present in Xen's master page table
(idle_pg_table[]), and I suppose we can take for granted a symbol
table being available.

Jan

Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Jan Beulich]

>>> On 24.11.15 at 13:57, <ptesarik@suse.cz> wrote:
> V Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:35:03 +0000
> Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> napsáno:
> 
>> On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
>> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
>> > David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
>> >>> On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> What about:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>> >>>>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>> >>>>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>> >>>>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
>> >>>> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
>> >>>> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
>> >>>> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
>> >>>> about the tool.)
>> >>>>
>> >>> I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
>> >>> PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
>> >>> their p2m mapping.
>> >> This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
>> >> crash tool.
>> > True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
>> > find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
>> > some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
>> > mapping in the dump.
>> 
>> The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
>> for PV guests.
>> 
>> Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.
> 
> Hm, this is nice, but kind of chicken-and-egg problem. A system dump
> contains a snapshot of the machine's RAM. But the addresses you
> mentioned are virtual addresses. How do I translate them to physical
> addresses without an m2p mapping? I need at least the value of CR3 for
> that domain, and most likely a way to determine if it is a PV domain.

This ought to also be present in Xen's master page table
(idle_pg_table[]), and I suppose we can take for granted a symbol
table being available.

Jan

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Re: [Xen-devel] crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Andrew Cooper]

On 24/11/15 13:39, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 24.11.15 at 13:57, <ptesarik@suse.cz> wrote:
>> V Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:35:03 +0000
>> Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> napsáno:
>>
>>> On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
>>>> David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> What about:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>>>>>>>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>>>>>>>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>>>>>>>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
>>>>>>> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
>>>>>>> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
>>>>>>> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
>>>>>>> about the tool.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
>>>>>> PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
>>>>>> their p2m mapping.
>>>>> This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
>>>>> crash tool.
>>>> True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
>>>> find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
>>>> some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
>>>> mapping in the dump.
>>> The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
>>> for PV guests.
>>>
>>> Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.
>> Hm, this is nice, but kind of chicken-and-egg problem. A system dump
>> contains a snapshot of the machine's RAM. But the addresses you
>> mentioned are virtual addresses. How do I translate them to physical
>> addresses without an m2p mapping? I need at least the value of CR3 for
>> that domain, and most likely a way to determine if it is a PV domain.
> This ought to also be present in Xen's master page table
> (idle_pg_table[]), and I suppose we can take for granted a symbol
> table being available.

The idle_pg_table is already present in the VMCORE notes.

~Andrew

Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Andrew Cooper]

On 24/11/15 13:39, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 24.11.15 at 13:57, <ptesarik@suse.cz> wrote:
>> V Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:35:03 +0000
>> Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> napsáno:
>>
>>> On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
>>>> David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> What about:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>>>>>>>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>>>>>>>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>>>>>>>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
>>>>>>> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
>>>>>>> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
>>>>>>> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
>>>>>>> about the tool.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
>>>>>> PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
>>>>>> their p2m mapping.
>>>>> This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
>>>>> crash tool.
>>>> True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
>>>> find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
>>>> some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
>>>> mapping in the dump.
>>> The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
>>> for PV guests.
>>>
>>> Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.
>> Hm, this is nice, but kind of chicken-and-egg problem. A system dump
>> contains a snapshot of the machine's RAM. But the addresses you
>> mentioned are virtual addresses. How do I translate them to physical
>> addresses without an m2p mapping? I need at least the value of CR3 for
>> that domain, and most likely a way to determine if it is a PV domain.
> This ought to also be present in Xen's master page table
> (idle_pg_table[]), and I suppose we can take for granted a symbol
> table being available.

The idle_pg_table is already present in the VMCORE notes.

~Andrew

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Re: [Xen-devel] crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Andrew Cooper]

On 24/11/15 13:41, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> On 24/11/15 13:39, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 13:57, <ptesarik@suse.cz> wrote:
>>> V Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:35:03 +0000
>>> Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> napsáno:
>>>
>>>> On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
>>>>> David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
>>>>>>> On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> What about:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>>>>>>>>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>>>>>>>>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>>>>>>>>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
>>>>>>>> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
>>>>>>>> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
>>>>>>>> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
>>>>>>>> about the tool.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
>>>>>>> PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
>>>>>>> their p2m mapping.
>>>>>> This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
>>>>>> crash tool.
>>>>> True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
>>>>> find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
>>>>> some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
>>>>> mapping in the dump.
>>>> The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
>>>> for PV guests.
>>>>
>>>> Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.
>>> Hm, this is nice, but kind of chicken-and-egg problem. A system dump
>>> contains a snapshot of the machine's RAM. But the addresses you
>>> mentioned are virtual addresses. How do I translate them to physical
>>> addresses without an m2p mapping? I need at least the value of CR3 for
>>> that domain, and most likely a way to determine if it is a PV domain.
>> This ought to also be present in Xen's master page table
>> (idle_pg_table[]), and I suppose we can take for granted a symbol
>> table being available.
> The idle_pg_table is already present in the VMCORE notes.

Ah, except it is aliased to the name pgd_l4.

~Andrew

Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Andrew Cooper]

On 24/11/15 13:41, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> On 24/11/15 13:39, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 13:57, <ptesarik@suse.cz> wrote:
>>> V Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:35:03 +0000
>>> Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> napsáno:
>>>
>>>> On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
>>>>> David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
>>>>>>> On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> What about:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>>>>>>>>>    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which should be
>>>>>>>>>    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive kernel is
>>>>>>>>>    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
>>>>>>>> I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing page
>>>>>>>> table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page table
>>>>>>>> entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
>>>>>>>> about the tool.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
>>>>>>> PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they change
>>>>>>> their p2m mapping.
>>>>>> This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to a
>>>>>> crash tool.
>>>>> True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
>>>>> find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
>>>>> some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
>>>>> mapping in the dump.
>>>> The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
>>>> for PV guests.
>>>>
>>>> Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.
>>> Hm, this is nice, but kind of chicken-and-egg problem. A system dump
>>> contains a snapshot of the machine's RAM. But the addresses you
>>> mentioned are virtual addresses. How do I translate them to physical
>>> addresses without an m2p mapping? I need at least the value of CR3 for
>>> that domain, and most likely a way to determine if it is a PV domain.
>> This ought to also be present in Xen's master page table
>> (idle_pg_table[]), and I suppose we can take for granted a symbol
>> table being available.
> The idle_pg_table is already present in the VMCORE notes.

Ah, except it is aliased to the name pgd_l4.

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Re: [Xen-devel] crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Ian Campbell]

On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 10:35 +0000, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
> > David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
> > > > On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
> > > > > > What about:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
> > > > > >    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which
> > > > > > should be
> > > > > >    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive
> > > > > > kernel is
> > > > > >    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
> > > > > I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing
> > > > > page
> > > > > table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page
> > > > > table
> > > > > entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
> > > > > about the tool.)
> > > > > 
> > > > I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
> > > > PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they
> > > > change
> > > > their p2m mapping.
> > > This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to
> > > a
> > > crash tool.
> > True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
> > find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
> > some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
> > mapping in the dump.
> 
> The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
> for PV guests.
> 
> Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.

In theory it can actually be dynamic. XENMEM_machphys_mapping is the way to
get at it (for both bitnesses).

For 64-bit guests I think that is most an "in theory" thing and it never
has actually been so.

For a 32-bit guest case I don't recall if it is just a 32on32 vs 32on64
thing, or if something (either guest or toolstack) gets to pick more
dynamically or even if it is a dom0 vs domU thing.

Ian.

Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Ian Campbell]

On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 10:35 +0000, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
> > David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
> > > > On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
> > > > > > What about:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
> > > > > >    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which
> > > > > > should be
> > > > > >    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive
> > > > > > kernel is
> > > > > >    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
> > > > > I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing
> > > > > page
> > > > > table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page
> > > > > table
> > > > > entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
> > > > > about the tool.)
> > > > > 
> > > > I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
> > > > PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they
> > > > change
> > > > their p2m mapping.
> > > This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to
> > > a
> > > crash tool.
> > True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
> > find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
> > some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
> > mapping in the dump.
> 
> The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
> for PV guests.
> 
> Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.

In theory it can actually be dynamic. XENMEM_machphys_mapping is the way to
get at it (for both bitnesses).

For 64-bit guests I think that is most an "in theory" thing and it never
has actually been so.

For a 32-bit guest case I don't recall if it is just a 32on32 vs 32on64
thing, or if something (either guest or toolstack) gets to pick more
dynamically or even if it is a dom0 vs domU thing.

Ian.

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Re: [Xen-devel] crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Jan Beulich]

>>> On 24.11.15 at 14:46, <ian.campbell@citrix.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 10:35 +0000, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>> On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
>> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
>> > David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
>> > > > On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > What about:
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>> > > > > >    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which
>> > > > > > should be
>> > > > > >    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive
>> > > > > > kernel is
>> > > > > >    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
>> > > > > I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing
>> > > > > page
>> > > > > table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page
>> > > > > table
>> > > > > entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
>> > > > > about the tool.)
>> > > > > 
>> > > > I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
>> > > > PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they
>> > > > change
>> > > > their p2m mapping.
>> > > This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to
>> > > a
>> > > crash tool.
>> > True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
>> > find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
>> > some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
>> > mapping in the dump.
>> 
>> The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
>> for PV guests.
>> 
>> Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.
> 
> In theory it can actually be dynamic. XENMEM_machphys_mapping is the way to
> get at it (for both bitnesses).
> 
> For 64-bit guests I think that is most an "in theory" thing and it never
> has actually been so.
> 
> For a 32-bit guest case I don't recall if it is just a 32on32 vs 32on64
> thing, or if something (either guest or toolstack) gets to pick more
> dynamically or even if it is a dom0 vs domU thing.

It's only for 32-on-64 where this range can change (and there it's the
64-bit address that crash would care about anyway).

Jan

Re: crash tool - problem with new Xen linear virtual mapped sparse p2m list

[Jan Beulich]

>>> On 24.11.15 at 14:46, <ian.campbell@citrix.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 10:35 +0000, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>> On 24/11/15 10:17, Petr Tesarik wrote:
>> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:09:01 +0000
>> > David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > On 24/11/15 09:55, Malcolm Crossley wrote:
>> > > > On 24/11/15 08:59, Jan Beulich wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On 24.11.15 at 07:55, <JGross@suse.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > What about:
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > 4) Instead of relying on the kernel maintained p2m list for m2p
>> > > > > >    conversion use the hypervisor maintained m2p list which
>> > > > > > should be
>> > > > > >    available in the dump as well. This is the way the alive
>> > > > > > kernel is
>> > > > > >    working, so mimic it during crash dump analysis.
>> > > > > I fully agree; I have to admit that looking at the p2m when doing
>> > > > > page
>> > > > > table walks for a PV Dom0 (having all machine addresses in page
>> > > > > table
>> > > > > entries) seems kind of backwards. (But I say this knowing nothing
>> > > > > about the tool.)
>> > > > > 
>> > > > I don't think we can reliably use the m2p for PV domains because
>> > > > PV domains don't always issue a m2p update hypercall when they
>> > > > change
>> > > > their p2m mapping.
>> > > This only applies to foreign pages which won't be very interesting to
>> > > a
>> > > crash tool.
>> > True. I think the main reason crash hasn't done this is that it cannot
>> > find the hypervisor maintained m2p list. It should be sufficient to add
>> > some more fields to XEN_VMCOREINFO, so that crash can locate the
>> > mapping in the dump.
>> 
>> The M2P lives at an ABI-specified location in all virtual address spaces
>> for PV guests.
>> 
>> Either 0xF5800000 or 0xFFFF800000000000 depending on bitness.
> 
> In theory it can actually be dynamic. XENMEM_machphys_mapping is the way to
> get at it (for both bitnesses).
> 
> For 64-bit guests I think that is most an "in theory" thing and it never
> has actually been so.
> 
> For a 32-bit guest case I don't recall if it is just a 32on32 vs 32on64
> thing, or if something (either guest or toolstack) gets to pick more
> dynamically or even if it is a dom0 vs domU thing.

It's only for 32-on-64 where this range can change (and there it's the
64-bit address that crash would care about anyway).

Jan