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From: "Pali Rohár" <pali.rohar@gmail.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: "Tony Lindgren" <tony@atomide.com>, "Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Frank Rowand" <frowand.list@gmail.com>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Russell King - ARM Linux" <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	"Laura Abbott" <lauraa@codeaurora.org>,
	"Grant Likely" <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robherring2@gmail.com>,
	"Will Deacon" <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	"Ivaylo Dimitrov" <ivo.g.dimitrov.75@gmail.com>,
	"Sebastian Reichel" <sre@debian.org>,
	"Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-omap@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 23:00:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201511252300.59976@pali> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17689711.DsQsCiDFAN@wuerfel>

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On Wednesday 25 November 2015 22:51:00 Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 November 2015 22:44:28 Pali Rohár wrote:
> > Arnd, my question about proper solution reminds... Proprietary
> > bootloader which cannot be replaced (e.g. it is signed or do
> > unknown magic) provides information to booted kernel via custom
> > specific ATAGs fields. How userspace could properly read those
> > custom information from bootloader?
> 
> The typical solution for nonstandard bootloaders is to have a boot
> wrapper like the one from
> https://github.com/zonque/pxa-impedance-matcher that translates
> whatever information we have at the bootloader level into DT
> properties.
> 

Ok. So there is no better solution. With some hacks we can use U-Boot as 
3rd stage bootloader. But this is not useful for debugging or 
developing...

Ideal "wrapper" solution would be to compile wrapper and linux zImage 
and then glue them together to one binary. Something like internal linux 
uncompress code which translate atags to dt.

> As I understand, the reason we are not doing that here is that we
> also have proprietary user space that we can't fix to look in a
> different place, i.e. the interface is between the bootloader and
> some user binary, not bootloader to kernel.
> 

Yes, proprietary/closed applications are problems which we cannot fix 
(without rewriting them).

New applications could use new "proper" interface. But without that 
interface we cannot do that.

-- 
Pali Rohár
pali.rohar@gmail.com

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From: pali.rohar@gmail.com (Pali Rohár)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 23:00:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201511252300.59976@pali> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17689711.DsQsCiDFAN@wuerfel>

On Wednesday 25 November 2015 22:51:00 Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 November 2015 22:44:28 Pali Roh?r wrote:
> > Arnd, my question about proper solution reminds... Proprietary
> > bootloader which cannot be replaced (e.g. it is signed or do
> > unknown magic) provides information to booted kernel via custom
> > specific ATAGs fields. How userspace could properly read those
> > custom information from bootloader?
> 
> The typical solution for nonstandard bootloaders is to have a boot
> wrapper like the one from
> https://github.com/zonque/pxa-impedance-matcher that translates
> whatever information we have at the bootloader level into DT
> properties.
> 

Ok. So there is no better solution. With some hacks we can use U-Boot as 
3rd stage bootloader. But this is not useful for debugging or 
developing...

Ideal "wrapper" solution would be to compile wrapper and linux zImage 
and then glue them together to one binary. Something like internal linux 
uncompress code which translate atags to dt.

> As I understand, the reason we are not doing that here is that we
> also have proprietary user space that we can't fix to look in a
> different place, i.e. the interface is between the bootloader and
> some user binary, not bootloader to kernel.
> 

Yes, proprietary/closed applications are problems which we cannot fix 
(without rewriting them).

New applications could use new "proper" interface. But without that 
interface we cannot do that.

-- 
Pali Roh?r
pali.rohar at gmail.com
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Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-06 20:26 [PATCH 0/5] ATAGs to DT patches Pali Rohár
2015-07-06 20:26 ` Pali Rohár
2015-07-06 20:26 ` [PATCH 1/5] arm: devtree: Set system_rev from DT "/revision" Pali Rohár
2015-07-06 20:26   ` Pali Rohár
2015-07-06 20:26   ` Pali Rohár
2015-12-24 19:02   ` Pali Rohár
2015-12-24 19:02     ` Pali Rohár
2015-12-24 19:02     ` Pali Rohár
2015-12-28 21:01     ` Frank Rowand
2015-12-28 21:01       ` Frank Rowand
2015-12-28 21:01       ` Frank Rowand
2015-12-28 22:27       ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-12-28 22:27         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-12-28 22:27         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-01-05 11:37         ` Pali Rohár
2016-01-05 11:37           ` Pali Rohár
2016-01-05 11:37           ` Pali Rohár
2016-01-05 11:37           ` Pali Rohár
2016-01-05 11:45           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-01-05 11:45             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-01-05 11:45             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-05 18:15             ` [PATCH] ARM: RX51: Set system_rev from ATAGS Ivaylo Dimitrov
2016-02-05 18:15               ` Ivaylo Dimitrov
2016-02-08 20:48               ` Tony Lindgren
2016-02-08 20:48                 ` Tony Lindgren
2016-02-08 21:10               ` Pali Rohár
2016-02-08 21:10                 ` Pali Rohár
2016-02-09 16:17                 ` Tony Lindgren
2016-02-09 16:17                   ` Tony Lindgren
2016-02-10 18:23                   ` [PATCH v1] " Ivaylo Dimitrov
2016-02-10 18:23                     ` Ivaylo Dimitrov
2016-02-11  0:19                     ` Tony Lindgren
2016-02-11  0:19                       ` Tony Lindgren
2015-07-06 20:26 ` [PATCH 2/5] arm: boot: convert ATAG_REVISION to DT "/revision" entry Pali Rohár
2015-07-06 20:26   ` Pali Rohár
2015-07-06 20:26   ` Pali Rohár
2015-07-06 20:26 ` [PATCH 3/5] arm: atags: Fix declaration of function save_atags Pali Rohár
2015-07-06 20:26   ` Pali Rohár
2015-07-06 20:26 ` [PATCH 4/5] arm: devtree: Read ATAGs structure from DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Pali Rohár
2015-07-06 20:26   ` [PATCH 4/5] arm: devtree: Read ATAGs structure from DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Pali Rohár
2015-07-06 20:26 ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Pali Rohár
2015-07-06 20:26   ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Pali Rohár
2015-07-07 11:32   ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-07-07 11:32     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-07-07 11:58     ` Pali Rohár
2015-07-07 11:58       ` Pali Rohár
2015-07-13 13:19       ` Tony Lindgren
2015-07-13 13:19         ` Tony Lindgren
2015-10-12 20:16         ` Tony Lindgren
2015-10-12 20:16           ` Tony Lindgren
2015-10-12 20:25           ` Pali Rohár
2015-10-12 20:25             ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Pali Rohár
2015-10-12 20:45             ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Tony Lindgren
2015-10-12 20:45               ` Tony Lindgren
2015-10-13 14:37               ` Pali Rohár
2015-10-13 14:37                 ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-05 11:40                 ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-05 11:40                   ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-05 16:17                   ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-05 16:17                     ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-12  1:10                     ` Frank Rowand
2015-11-12  1:10                       ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Frank Rowand
2015-11-22  6:51                       ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Pavel Machek
2015-11-22  6:51                         ` Pavel Machek
2015-11-23 14:45                         ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-23 14:45                           ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-23 14:45                           ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-25 18:16                           ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-25 18:16                             ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-25 18:16                             ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-25 19:48                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-25 19:48                               ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-25 21:03                               ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Tony Lindgren
2015-11-25 21:03                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-25 21:03                                 ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-25 21:29                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-25 21:29                                   ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-25 21:44                                   ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Pali Rohár
2015-11-25 21:44                                     ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Pali Rohár
2015-11-25 21:44                                     ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Pali Rohár
2015-11-25 21:51                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-25 21:51                                       ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-25 22:00                                       ` Pali Rohár [this message]
2015-11-25 22:00                                         ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-26  4:19                                 ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Frank Rowand
2015-11-26  4:19                                   ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Frank Rowand
2015-11-26  9:07                                   ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Pali Rohár
2015-11-26  9:07                                     ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-26 20:39                                     ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-26 20:39                                       ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-26 20:39                                       ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-26 21:12                                       ` Ivaylo Dimitrov
2015-11-26 21:12                                         ` Ivaylo Dimitrov
2015-11-27  8:38                                       ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-27  8:38                                         ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-27  8:44                                         ` Michael Trimarchi
2015-11-27  8:44                                           ` Michael Trimarchi
2015-11-27  8:44                                           ` Michael Trimarchi
2015-11-27  8:52                                           ` Michael Trimarchi
2015-11-27  8:52                                             ` Michael Trimarchi
2015-11-27 14:51                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-27 14:51                                           ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-27 13:27                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-27 13:27                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-27 19:51                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-27 19:51                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-27 19:51                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-27 21:06                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-27 21:06                                           ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-27 23:28                                           ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Nicolas Pitre
2015-11-27 23:28                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-11-27 23:28                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-11-28 12:27                                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-28 12:27                                               ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-28 12:27                                               ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Arnd Bergmann
2015-11-28 12:54                                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-28 12:54                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-28 12:54                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-28 12:33                                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-28 12:33                                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-28 17:34                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-11-28 17:34                                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-11-28 21:02                                                 ` Frank Rowand
2015-11-28 21:02                                                   ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Frank Rowand
2015-11-28 21:02                                                   ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Frank Rowand
2015-11-29 18:09                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-29 18:09                                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-29 18:09                                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-29 18:19                                                   ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-29 18:19                                                     ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Pali Rohár
2015-11-29 23:13                                                     ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-29 23:13                                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-11-30  0:09                                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-11-30  0:09                                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-11-30  0:15                                                     ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-30  0:15                                                       ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Pali Rohár
2015-11-30  0:15                                                       ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Pali Rohár
2015-11-30 15:23                                                       ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-30 15:23                                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-30 15:23                                                         ` Tony Lindgren
2015-11-30 15:39                                                         ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-30 15:39                                                           ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-30 15:39                                                           ` Pali Rohár
2015-11-30 16:09                                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-11-30 16:09                                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-12-15  9:33                                                             ` Pali Rohár
2015-12-15  9:33                                                               ` Pali Rohár
2015-12-15 11:04                                                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-12-15 11:04                                                                 ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux, atags" entry Arnd Bergmann
2015-12-15 12:20                                                               ` [PATCH 5/5] arm: boot: store ATAGs structure into DT "/chosen/linux,atags" entry Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-12-15 12:20                                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-12-15 17:24                                                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-12-15 17:24                                                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-12-15 17:24                                                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2015-12-23 14:54                                                                 ` Ivaylo Dimitrov
2015-12-23 14:54                                                                   ` Ivaylo Dimitrov
2015-11-28  4:06 ` [PATCH 0/5] ATAGs to DT patches Frank Rowand
2015-11-28  4:06   ` Frank Rowand
2015-11-28  5:55   ` Frank Rowand
2015-11-28  5:55     ` Frank Rowand

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