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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Pavel Fedin <p.fedin@samsung.com>
Cc: "'Lan, Tianyu'" <tianyu.lan@intel.com>,
	"'Yang Zhang'" <yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com>,
	"'Tantilov, Emil S'" <emil.s.tantilov@intel.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, aik@ozlabs.ru, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"'Alexander Duyck'" <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	lcapitulino@redhat.com, "'Blue Swirl'" <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	kraxel@redhat.com, "'Rustad, Mark D'" <mark.d.rustad@intel.com>,
	quintela@redhat.com, "'Skidmore,
	Donald C'" <donald.c.skidmore@intel.com>,
	"'Alexander Graf'" <agraf@suse.de>,
	"'Or Gerlitz'" <gerlitz.or@gmail.com>,
	"'Dr. David Alan Gilbert'" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"'Alex Williamson'" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"'Anthony Liguori'" <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com,
	"'Ard Biesheuvel'" <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	"'Dong, Eddie'" <eddie.dong@intel.com>,
	"'Jani, Nrupal'" <nrupal.jani@intel.com>,
	amit.shah@redhat.com, "'Paolo Bonzini'" <pbonzini@redhat.co
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] live migration vs device assignment (motivation)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 13:51:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151228115108.GC18063@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <003a01d1414d$1f2fd250$5d8f76f0$@samsung.com>

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:52:43AM +0300, Pavel Fedin wrote:
>  Hello!
> 
> > A dedicated IRQ per device for something that is a system wide event
> > sounds like a waste.  I don't understand why a spec change is strictly
> > required, we only need to support this with the specific virtual bridge
> > used by QEMU, so I think that a vendor specific capability will do.
> > Once this works well in the field, a PCI spec ECN might make sense
> > to standardise the capability.
> 
>  Keeping track of your discussion for some time, decided to jump in...
>  So far, we want to have some kind of mailbox to notify the quest about migration. So what about some dedicated "pci device" for
> this purpose? Some kind of "migration controller". This is:
> a) perhaps easier to implement than capability, we don't need to push anything to PCI spec.
> b) could easily make friendship with Windows, because this means that no bus code has to be touched at all. It would rely only on
> drivers' ability to communicate with each other (i guess it should be possible in Windows, isn't it?)
> c) does not need to steal resources (BARs, IRQs, etc) from the actual devices.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Pavel Fedin
> Expert Engineer
> Samsung Electronics Research center Russia
> 

Sure, or we can use an ACPI device.  It doesn't really matter what we do
for the mailbox. Whoever writes this first will get to select a
mechanism.

-- 
MST

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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Pavel Fedin <p.fedin@samsung.com>
Cc: 'Yang Zhang' <yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com>,
	"'Tantilov, Emil S'" <emil.s.tantilov@intel.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, aik@ozlabs.ru, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	'Alexander Duyck' <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	lcapitulino@redhat.com, 'Blue Swirl' <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	kraxel@redhat.com, "'Rustad, Mark D'" <mark.d.rustad@intel.com>,
	quintela@redhat.com, "'Skidmore,
	Donald C'" <donald.c.skidmore@intel.com>,
	'Alexander Graf' <agraf@suse.de>,
	'Or Gerlitz' <gerlitz.or@gmail.com>,
	"'Dr. David Alan Gilbert'" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	'Alex Williamson' <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	'Anthony Liguori' <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com, "'Lan, Tianyu'" <tianyu.lan@intel.com>,
	'Ard Biesheuvel' <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	"'Dong, Eddie'" <eddie.dong@intel.com>,
	"'Jani, Nrupal'" <nrupal.jani@intel.com>,
	amit.shah@redhat.com, 'Paolo Bonzini' <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] live migration vs device assignment (motivation)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 13:51:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151228115108.GC18063@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <003a01d1414d$1f2fd250$5d8f76f0$@samsung.com>

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:52:43AM +0300, Pavel Fedin wrote:
>  Hello!
> 
> > A dedicated IRQ per device for something that is a system wide event
> > sounds like a waste.  I don't understand why a spec change is strictly
> > required, we only need to support this with the specific virtual bridge
> > used by QEMU, so I think that a vendor specific capability will do.
> > Once this works well in the field, a PCI spec ECN might make sense
> > to standardise the capability.
> 
>  Keeping track of your discussion for some time, decided to jump in...
>  So far, we want to have some kind of mailbox to notify the quest about migration. So what about some dedicated "pci device" for
> this purpose? Some kind of "migration controller". This is:
> a) perhaps easier to implement than capability, we don't need to push anything to PCI spec.
> b) could easily make friendship with Windows, because this means that no bus code has to be touched at all. It would rely only on
> drivers' ability to communicate with each other (i guess it should be possible in Windows, isn't it?)
> c) does not need to steal resources (BARs, IRQs, etc) from the actual devices.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Pavel Fedin
> Expert Engineer
> Samsung Electronics Research center Russia
> 

Sure, or we can use an ACPI device.  It doesn't really matter what we do
for the mailbox. Whoever writes this first will get to select a
mechanism.

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-28 11:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 142+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-24 13:35 [RFC PATCH V2 00/10] Qemu: Add live migration support for SRIOV NIC Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 01/10] Qemu/VFIO: Create head file pci.h to share data struct Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35   ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 02/10] Qemu/VFIO: Add new VFIO_GET_PCI_CAP_INFO ioctl cmd definition Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35   ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan Tianyu
2015-12-02 22:25   ` Alex Williamson
2015-12-02 22:25     ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2015-12-03  8:40     ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-03  8:40       ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-03 15:26       ` Alex Williamson
2015-12-03 15:26         ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 03/10] Qemu/VFIO: Rework vfio_std_cap_max_size() function Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35   ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 04/10] Qemu/VFIO: Add vfio_find_free_cfg_reg() to find free PCI config space regs Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35   ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 05/10] Qemu/VFIO: Expose PCI config space read/write and msix functions Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35   ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 06/10] Qemu/PCI: Add macros for faked PCI migration capability Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35   ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan Tianyu
2015-12-02 22:25   ` Alex Williamson
2015-12-02 22:25     ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2015-12-03  8:57     ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-03  8:57       ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 07/10] Qemu: Add post_load_state() to run after restoring CPU state Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35   ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 08/10] Qemu: Add save_before_stop callback to run just before stopping VCPU during migration Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35   ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 09/10] Qemu/VFIO: Add SRIOV VF migration support Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35   ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 21:03   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-24 21:03     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-25 15:32     ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-11-25 15:32       ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-11-25 15:44       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-25 15:44         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-02 22:25   ` Alex Williamson
2015-12-02 22:25     ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2015-12-03  8:56     ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-03  8:56       ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 10/10] Qemu/VFIO: Misc change for enable migration with VFIO Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35   ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan Tianyu
2015-11-30  8:01 ` [RFC PATCH V2 00/10] Qemu: Add live migration support for SRIOV NIC Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-30  8:01   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-01  6:26   ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-01  6:26     ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-01 15:02     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-01 15:02       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-02 14:08       ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-02 14:08         ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-02 14:31         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-02 14:31           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-03 14:53           ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-03 14:53             ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-04  6:42           ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-04  6:42             ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-04  8:05             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-04  8:05               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-04 12:11               ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-04 12:11                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-03 18:32         ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-03 18:32           ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Duyck
2015-12-07 16:50 ` live migration vs device assignment (was Re: [RFC PATCH V2 00/10] Qemu: Add live migration support for SRIOV NIC) Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-07 16:50   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-09 16:26   ` live migration vs device assignment (motivation) Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-09 16:26     ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-09 17:14     ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-09 17:14       ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Duyck
2015-12-10  3:15       ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-10  3:15         ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-09 20:07     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-09 20:07       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-10  3:04       ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-10  3:04         ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-10  8:38         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-10  8:38           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-10 14:23           ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-10 14:23             ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-10 10:18     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-12-10 10:18       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-12-10 11:28       ` Yang Zhang
2015-12-10 11:28         ` Yang Zhang
2015-12-10 11:41         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-12-10 11:41           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-12-10 13:07           ` Yang Zhang
2015-12-10 13:07             ` Yang Zhang
2015-12-10 14:38           ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-10 14:38             ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-10 16:11             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-10 16:11               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-10 19:17               ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-10 19:17                 ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-11  7:32               ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-11  7:32                 ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-14  9:12                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-14  9:12                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-10 16:23             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-12-10 16:23               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-12-10 17:16             ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-10 17:16               ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-13 15:47               ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-13 15:47                 ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-13 19:30                 ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-13 19:30                   ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-25  7:03                   ` Lan Tianyu
2015-12-25  7:03                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Lan Tianyu
2015-12-25 12:11                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-25 12:11                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-28 17:42                       ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-28 17:42                         ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-29 16:46                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-29 16:46                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-29 17:04                           ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-29 17:04                             ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-29 17:15                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-29 17:15                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-29 18:04                               ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-29 18:04                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2016-01-04  2:15                           ` Lan Tianyu
2016-01-04  2:15                             ` Lan Tianyu
2015-12-25 22:31                     ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-25 22:31                       ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-27  9:21                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-27  9:21                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-27 21:45                         ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-27 21:45                           ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-28  8:51                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-28  8:51                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-28  3:20                       ` Dong, Eddie
2015-12-28  3:20                         ` Dong, Eddie
2015-12-28  4:26                         ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-28  4:26                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Duyck
2015-12-28 11:50                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-28 11:50                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-14  9:26                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-14  9:26                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-28  8:52                   ` Pavel Fedin
2015-12-28  8:52                     ` Pavel Fedin
2015-12-28 11:51                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2015-12-28 11:51                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-17  9:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V2 00/10] Qemu: Add live migration support for SRIOV NIC Wei Yang
2016-03-17  9:15   ` Wei Yang

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