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From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Simon Horman <horms@verge.net.au>,
	Linux-sh list <linux-sh@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Yoshinori Sato <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"D. Jeff Dionne" <jeff@uclinux.org>,
	Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] MAINTAINERS: remove linux-sh list from non-arch/sh sections
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 18:21:45 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160108182145.GA22240@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdXkK68wM0D2-auNskSDv2ni6R4GabA90We8PbYXikO9Pw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 08, 2016 at 10:01:25AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > Dropping linux-sh@vger.kernel.org from portions of the MAINTAINERS file as
> > you suggest would essentially leave the Renesas ARM work without a mailing
> > list or patchwork instance. Both of which are actively used for that work..
> >
> > Off-hand I can think of three solutions to this problem:
> >
> > 1. Live with the noise
> > 2. Establish a new list (and possibly patchwork instance) for the SH work..
> > 3. Establish a new list and patchwork instance for the ARM work.
> 
> Personally, I'd go for option 1.
> I would even like to propose H8/300 to join, as they share IP cores, too
> (m32r doesn't, AFAIK).
> 
> Many old ARM/SH-Mobile SoCs look like SH SoCs with an ARM CPU core bolted on.
> Recent Renesas ARM SoCs still share many IP cores with older SH SoCs; most of
> them even have a secondary SH4 CPU core. Using the SH4 CPU core could be useful
> for doing SH4 work, until J4 becomes mainstream (cfr. old prototype in
> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-sh/msg07188.html).
> Probably the Jx series won't share IP cores with SH/ARM, but as arch/sh/
> maintainers you have to care about older Renesas SH platforms, too.
> 
> For patchwork, that would mean some more delegation needs to be put in place.
> 
> So far my 0.05€...

Is that actually the case? I can't find any current support in the
kernel for running on these SH4 cores, and I was under the impression
that they were being phased out, if not already gone. And the bulk of
the driver-related discussion I've seen on linux-sh over the past year
does not seem to be related to hardware that's present/usable on
boards where you can run Linux/SH. If this is incorrect, I'd like to
hear some views on how/why such hardware is relevant to arch/sh.

Rich

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Simon Horman <horms@verge.net.au>,
	Linux-sh list <linux-sh@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Yoshinori Sato <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"D. Jeff Dionne" <jeff@uclinux.org>,
	Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] MAINTAINERS: remove linux-sh list from non-arch/sh sections
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 13:21:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160108182145.GA22240@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdXkK68wM0D2-auNskSDv2ni6R4GabA90We8PbYXikO9Pw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 08, 2016 at 10:01:25AM +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > Dropping linux-sh@vger.kernel.org from portions of the MAINTAINERS file as
> > you suggest would essentially leave the Renesas ARM work without a mailing
> > list or patchwork instance. Both of which are actively used for that work..
> >
> > Off-hand I can think of three solutions to this problem:
> >
> > 1. Live with the noise
> > 2. Establish a new list (and possibly patchwork instance) for the SH work..
> > 3. Establish a new list and patchwork instance for the ARM work.
> 
> Personally, I'd go for option 1.
> I would even like to propose H8/300 to join, as they share IP cores, too
> (m32r doesn't, AFAIK).
> 
> Many old ARM/SH-Mobile SoCs look like SH SoCs with an ARM CPU core bolted on.
> Recent Renesas ARM SoCs still share many IP cores with older SH SoCs; most of
> them even have a secondary SH4 CPU core. Using the SH4 CPU core could be useful
> for doing SH4 work, until J4 becomes mainstream (cfr. old prototype in
> http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-sh/msg07188.html).
> Probably the Jx series won't share IP cores with SH/ARM, but as arch/sh/
> maintainers you have to care about older Renesas SH platforms, too.
> 
> For patchwork, that would mean some more delegation needs to be put in place.
> 
> So far my 0.05€...

Is that actually the case? I can't find any current support in the
kernel for running on these SH4 cores, and I was under the impression
that they were being phased out, if not already gone. And the bulk of
the driver-related discussion I've seen on linux-sh over the past year
does not seem to be related to hardware that's present/usable on
boards where you can run Linux/SH. If this is incorrect, I'd like to
hear some views on how/why such hardware is relevant to arch/sh.

Rich

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-08 18:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-08  4:39 [PATCH 0/2] Resume maintenance & development of arch/sh Rich Felker
2016-01-08  4:39 ` Rich Felker
2016-01-08  4:39 ` [PATCH 1/2] MAINTAINERS: return arch/sh to maintained state, with new maintainers Rich Felker
2016-01-08  4:39   ` Rich Felker
2016-01-11 17:53   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-11 17:53     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-01-13  1:40     ` Simon Horman
2016-01-13  1:40       ` Simon Horman
2016-01-15  0:52       ` Rich Felker
2016-01-15  0:52         ` Rich Felker
2016-01-15  9:31         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-01-15  9:31           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-01-17  2:32           ` Rich Felker
2016-01-17  2:32             ` Rich Felker
2016-01-17  8:48             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-01-17  8:48               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-01-08  4:40 ` [PATCH 2/2] MAINTAINERS: remove linux-sh list from non-arch/sh sections Rich Felker
2016-01-08  4:40   ` Rich Felker
2016-01-08  6:56   ` Simon Horman
2016-01-08  6:56     ` Simon Horman
2016-01-08  9:01     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-01-08  9:01       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-01-08 18:21       ` Rich Felker [this message]
2016-01-08 18:21         ` Rich Felker
2016-01-08 20:35         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-01-08 20:35           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-01-08 20:52           ` Rich Felker
2016-01-08 20:52             ` Rich Felker
2016-01-10 19:41             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-01-10 19:41               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-01-08 17:35     ` Rob Landley
2016-01-08 17:35       ` Rob Landley
2016-01-08 18:28       ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-01-08 18:28         ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-01-08 19:40         ` Rich Felker
2016-01-08 19:40           ` Rich Felker
2016-01-08 23:15           ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-01-08 23:15             ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-01-08 22:50         ` Rob Landley
2016-01-08 22:50           ` Rob Landley
2016-01-10 20:05           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-01-10 20:05             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-01-11  2:02             ` Rob Landley
2016-01-11  2:02               ` Rob Landley
2016-01-11  2:22               ` uClinux.org
2016-01-11  2:22                 ` uClinux.org
2016-01-08 18:51       ` Rich Felker
2016-01-08 18:51         ` Rich Felker
2016-01-08 18:03   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2016-01-08 18:03     ` Sergei Shtylyov

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