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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, rientjes@google.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	oleg@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] oom, oom_reaper: Try to reap tasks which skip regular OOM killer path
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:50:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160408115033.GH29820@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201604082019.EDH52671.OJHQFMStOFLVOF@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On Fri 08-04-16 20:19:28, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> > Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > @@ -694,6 +746,7 @@ void oom_kill_process(struct oom_control *oc, struct task_struct *p,
> > >  	task_lock(p);
> > >  	if (p->mm && task_will_free_mem(p)) {
> > >  		mark_oom_victim(p);
> > > +		try_oom_reaper(p);
> > >  		task_unlock(p);
> > >  		put_task_struct(p);
> > >  		return;
> > > @@ -873,6 +926,7 @@ bool out_of_memory(struct oom_control *oc)
> > >  	if (current->mm &&
> > >  	    (fatal_signal_pending(current) || task_will_free_mem(current))) {
> > >  		mark_oom_victim(current);
> > > +		try_oom_reaper(current);
> > >  		return true;
> > >  	}
> > >  
> 
> oom_reaper() will need to do "tsk->oom_reaper_list = NULL;" due to
> 
> 	if (tsk == oom_reaper_list || tsk->oom_reaper_list)
> 		return;
> 
> test in wake_oom_reaper() if "[PATCH 3/3] mm, oom_reaper: clear
> TIF_MEMDIE for all tasks queued for oom_reaper" will select the same
> thread again.

true, will update my patch.

> Though I think we should not allow the OOM killer to select the same
> thread again.
> 
> > 
> > Why don't you call try_oom_reaper() from the shortcuts in
> > mem_cgroup_out_of_memory() as well?
> 
> I looked at next-20160408 but I again came to think that we should remove
> these shortcuts (something like a patch shown bottom).

feel free to send the patch with the full description. But I would
really encourage you to check the history to learn why those have been
added and describe why those concerns are not valid/important anymore.
Your way of throwing a large patch based on an extreme load which is
basically DoSing the machine is not the ideal one.

I do respect your different opinion. It is well possible that you are
right here and you can convince all the reviewers that your changes
are safe. I would be more than happy to drop my smaller steps approach
then. But I will be honest with you, you haven't convinced me yet and
I have seen so many subtle issues in this code area that the risk is
really non trivial for any larger changes. This is the primary reason I
am doing small steps each focusing on a single improvement which can be
argued about and is known to help a particular case without introducing
a risk of different problems. I am not the maintainer so it is not up to
me to select the right approach.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, rientjes@google.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	oleg@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] oom, oom_reaper: Try to reap tasks which skip regular OOM killer path
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:50:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160408115033.GH29820@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201604082019.EDH52671.OJHQFMStOFLVOF@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On Fri 08-04-16 20:19:28, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> > Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > @@ -694,6 +746,7 @@ void oom_kill_process(struct oom_control *oc, struct task_struct *p,
> > >  	task_lock(p);
> > >  	if (p->mm && task_will_free_mem(p)) {
> > >  		mark_oom_victim(p);
> > > +		try_oom_reaper(p);
> > >  		task_unlock(p);
> > >  		put_task_struct(p);
> > >  		return;
> > > @@ -873,6 +926,7 @@ bool out_of_memory(struct oom_control *oc)
> > >  	if (current->mm &&
> > >  	    (fatal_signal_pending(current) || task_will_free_mem(current))) {
> > >  		mark_oom_victim(current);
> > > +		try_oom_reaper(current);
> > >  		return true;
> > >  	}
> > >  
> 
> oom_reaper() will need to do "tsk->oom_reaper_list = NULL;" due to
> 
> 	if (tsk == oom_reaper_list || tsk->oom_reaper_list)
> 		return;
> 
> test in wake_oom_reaper() if "[PATCH 3/3] mm, oom_reaper: clear
> TIF_MEMDIE for all tasks queued for oom_reaper" will select the same
> thread again.

true, will update my patch.

> Though I think we should not allow the OOM killer to select the same
> thread again.
> 
> > 
> > Why don't you call try_oom_reaper() from the shortcuts in
> > mem_cgroup_out_of_memory() as well?
> 
> I looked at next-20160408 but I again came to think that we should remove
> these shortcuts (something like a patch shown bottom).

feel free to send the patch with the full description. But I would
really encourage you to check the history to learn why those have been
added and describe why those concerns are not valid/important anymore.
Your way of throwing a large patch based on an extreme load which is
basically DoSing the machine is not the ideal one.

I do respect your different opinion. It is well possible that you are
right here and you can convince all the reviewers that your changes
are safe. I would be more than happy to drop my smaller steps approach
then. But I will be honest with you, you haven't convinced me yet and
I have seen so many subtle issues in this code area that the risk is
really non trivial for any larger changes. This is the primary reason I
am doing small steps each focusing on a single improvement which can be
argued about and is known to help a particular case without introducing
a risk of different problems. I am not the maintainer so it is not up to
me to select the right approach.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-08 11:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-06 14:13 [PATCH 0/3] oom reaper follow ups v1 Michal Hocko
2016-04-06 14:13 ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-06 14:13 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm, oom: move GFP_NOFS check to out_of_memory Michal Hocko
2016-04-06 14:13   ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-06 14:13 ` [PATCH 2/3] oom, oom_reaper: Try to reap tasks which skip regular OOM killer path Michal Hocko
2016-04-06 14:13   ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-07 11:38   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-07 11:38     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-08 11:19     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-08 11:19       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-08 11:50       ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2016-04-08 11:50         ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-09  4:39         ` [PATCH 2/3] oom, oom_reaper: Try to reap tasks which skipregular " Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-09  4:39           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-11 12:02           ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-11 12:02             ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-11 13:26             ` [PATCH 2/3] oom, oom_reaper: Try to reap tasks which skip regular " Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-11 13:26               ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-11 13:43               ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-11 13:43                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-13 11:08                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-13 11:08                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-08 11:34     ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-08 11:34       ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-08 13:14   ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-08 13:14     ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-06 14:13 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm, oom_reaper: clear TIF_MEMDIE for all tasks queued for oom_reaper Michal Hocko
2016-04-06 14:13   ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-07 11:55   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-07 11:55     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-08 11:34     ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-08 11:34       ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-16  2:51       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-17 11:54         ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-18 11:59           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-19 14:17             ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-19 15:07               ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-04-19 19:32                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-08 13:07   ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-08 13:07     ` Michal Hocko

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