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From: Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>,
	Waiman Long <Waiman.Long@hpe.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	ggherdovich@suse.com, Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Subject: Re: sem_lock() vs qspinlocks
Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 10:14:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160521171435.GB6899@linux-uzut.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160521073739.GB15728@worktop.ger.corp.intel.com>

On Sat, 21 May 2016, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

>On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 05:48:39PM -0700, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 May 2016, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Oh, I definitely agree on the stable part, and yes, the "splt things
>> >up" model should come later if people agree that it's a good thing.
>>
>> The backporting part is quite nice, yes, but ultimately I think I prefer
>> Linus' suggestion making things explicit, as opposed to consulting the spinlock
>> implying barriers. I also hate to have an smp_mb() (particularly for spin_is_locked)
>> given that we are not optimizing for the common case (regular mutual excl).
>
>I'm confused; we _are_ optimizing for the common case. spin_is_locked()
>is very unlikely to be used. And arguably should be used less in favour
>of lockdep_assert_held().

Indeed we are.

But by 'common case' I was really thinking about spin_is_locked() vs spin_wait_unlock().
The former being the more common of the two, and the one which mostly will _not_ be used
for lock correctness purposes, hence it doesn't need that new smp_mb. Hence allowing users
to explicitly set the ordering needs (ie spin_lock_synchronize()) seems like the better
long term alternative. otoh, with your approach all such bugs are automatically fixed :)

Thanks,
Davidlohr

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-05-21 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-20  5:39 sem_lock() vs qspinlocks Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-20  7:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 15:00   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-20 15:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 15:25       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-20 15:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 20:47     ` Waiman Long
2016-05-20 20:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-21  0:59         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-21  4:01           ` Waiman Long
2016-05-21  7:40             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20  7:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20  8:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20  8:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20  9:07     ` Giovanni Gherdovich
2016-05-20  9:34       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20  8:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20  9:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 10:09     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-05-20 10:45       ` Mel Gorman
2016-05-20 11:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 14:05   ` Boqun Feng
2016-05-20 15:21     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 16:04       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 17:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-05-20 21:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 21:44             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-05-21  0:48               ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-21  2:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-05-21  7:37                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-21 13:49                   ` Manfred Spraul
2016-05-24 10:57                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-21 17:14                   ` Davidlohr Bueso [this message]
2016-05-23 12:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-23 17:52             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-05-25  6:37               ` Boqun Feng
2016-05-22  8:43         ` Manfred Spraul
2016-05-22  9:38           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 16:20   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-20 20:44   ` Waiman Long
2016-05-20 20:53     ` Peter Zijlstra

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