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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>
Cc: Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Waiman Long <Waiman.Long@hpe.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	ggherdovich@suse.com, Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	1vier1@web.de
Subject: Re: sem_lock() vs qspinlocks
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 12:57:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160524105744.GV3193@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fad29add-e019-9af2-0220-40b9f4205568@colorfullife.com>

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 03:49:20PM +0200, Manfred Spraul wrote:

> >I'm tempted to put that trailing smp_rmb() in spin_unlock_wait() too;
> >because I suspect the netfilter code is broken without it.
> >
> >And it seems intuitive to assume that if we return from unlock_wait() we
> >can indeed observe the critical section we waited on.

> Then !spin_is_locked() and spin_unlock_wait() would be different with
> regards to memory barriers.
> Would that really help?

We could fix that I think; something horrible like:

static __always_inline int queued_spin_is_locked(struct qspinlock *lock)
{
	int locked;
	smp_mb();
	locked = atomic_read(&lock->val) & _Q_LOCKED_MASK;
	smp_acquire__after_ctrl_dep();
	return locked;
}

Which if used in a conditional like:

	spin_lock(A);
	if (spin_is_locked(B)) {
		spin_unlock(A);
		spin_lock(B);
		...
	}

would still provide the ACQUIRE semantics required. The only difference
is that it would provide it to _both_ branches, which might be a little
more expensive.

> My old plan was to document the rules, and define a generic
> smp_acquire__after_spin_is_unlocked.
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/3/1/153

Yeah; I more or less forgot all that.

Now, I too think having the thing documented is good; _however_ I also
think having primitives that actually do what you assume them to is a
good thing.

spin_unlock_wait() not actually serializing against the spin_unlock() is
really surprising and subtle.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-24 10:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-20  5:39 sem_lock() vs qspinlocks Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-20  7:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 15:00   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-20 15:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 15:25       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-20 15:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 20:47     ` Waiman Long
2016-05-20 20:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-21  0:59         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-21  4:01           ` Waiman Long
2016-05-21  7:40             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20  7:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20  8:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20  8:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20  9:07     ` Giovanni Gherdovich
2016-05-20  9:34       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20  8:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20  9:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 10:09     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-05-20 10:45       ` Mel Gorman
2016-05-20 11:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 14:05   ` Boqun Feng
2016-05-20 15:21     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 16:04       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 17:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-05-20 21:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 21:44             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-05-21  0:48               ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-21  2:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-05-21  7:37                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-21 13:49                   ` Manfred Spraul
2016-05-24 10:57                     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2016-05-21 17:14                   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-23 12:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-23 17:52             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-05-25  6:37               ` Boqun Feng
2016-05-22  8:43         ` Manfred Spraul
2016-05-22  9:38           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-05-20 16:20   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-05-20 20:44   ` Waiman Long
2016-05-20 20:53     ` Peter Zijlstra

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