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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 11/12] zsmalloc: page migration support
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 00:23:45 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160525152345.GA515@swordfish> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160525051438.GA14786@bbox>

Hello Minchan,

On (05/25/16 14:14), Minchan Kim wrote:
[..]
> > > do you also want to kick the deferred page release from the shrinker
> > > callback, for example?
> > 
> > Yeb, it can be. I will do it at next revision. :)
> > Thanks!
> > 
> 
> I tried it now but I feel strongly we want to fix shrinker first.
> Now, shrinker doesn't consider VM's request(i.e., sc->nr_to_scan) but
> shrink all objects which could make latency huge.

hm... may be.

I only briefly thought about it a while ago; and have no real data on
hands. it was something as follows:
between zs_shrinker_count() and zs_shrinker_scan() a lot can change;
and _theoretically_ attempting to zs_shrinker_scan() even a smaller
sc->nr_to_scan still may result in a "full" pool scan, taking all of
the classes ->locks one by one just because classes are not the same
as a moment ago. which is even more probable, I think, once the system
is getting low on memory and begins to swap out, for instance. because
in the latter case we increase the number of writes to zspool and,
thus, reduce its chances to be compacted. if the system would still
demand free memory, then it'd keep calling zs_shrinker_count() and
zs_shrinker_scan() on us; at some point, I think, zs_shrinker_count()
would start returning 0. ...if some of the classes would have huge
fragmentation then we'd keep these class' ->locks for some time,
moving objects. other than that we probably would just iterate the
classes.

purely theoretical.

do you have any numbers?

hm, probably it makes sense to change it. but if the change will
replace "1 full pool scan" to "2 scans of 1/2 of pool's classes",
then I'm less sure.

> I want to fix it as another issue and then adding ZS_EMPTY pool pages
> purging logic based on it because many works for zsmalloc stucked
> with this patchset now which churns old code heavily. :(

	-ss

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From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 11/12] zsmalloc: page migration support
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 00:23:45 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160525152345.GA515@swordfish> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160525051438.GA14786@bbox>

Hello Minchan,

On (05/25/16 14:14), Minchan Kim wrote:
[..]
> > > do you also want to kick the deferred page release from the shrinker
> > > callback, for example?
> > 
> > Yeb, it can be. I will do it at next revision. :)
> > Thanks!
> > 
> 
> I tried it now but I feel strongly we want to fix shrinker first.
> Now, shrinker doesn't consider VM's request(i.e., sc->nr_to_scan) but
> shrink all objects which could make latency huge.

hm... may be.

I only briefly thought about it a while ago; and have no real data on
hands. it was something as follows:
between zs_shrinker_count() and zs_shrinker_scan() a lot can change;
and _theoretically_ attempting to zs_shrinker_scan() even a smaller
sc->nr_to_scan still may result in a "full" pool scan, taking all of
the classes ->locks one by one just because classes are not the same
as a moment ago. which is even more probable, I think, once the system
is getting low on memory and begins to swap out, for instance. because
in the latter case we increase the number of writes to zspool and,
thus, reduce its chances to be compacted. if the system would still
demand free memory, then it'd keep calling zs_shrinker_count() and
zs_shrinker_scan() on us; at some point, I think, zs_shrinker_count()
would start returning 0. ...if some of the classes would have huge
fragmentation then we'd keep these class' ->locks for some time,
moving objects. other than that we probably would just iterate the
classes.

purely theoretical.

do you have any numbers?

hm, probably it makes sense to change it. but if the change will
replace "1 full pool scan" to "2 scans of 1/2 of pool's classes",
then I'm less sure.

> I want to fix it as another issue and then adding ZS_EMPTY pool pages
> purging logic based on it because many works for zsmalloc stucked
> with this patchset now which churns old code heavily. :(

	-ss

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-25 14:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-20 14:23 [PATCH v6 00/12] Support non-lru page migration Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23 ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23 ` [PATCH v6 01/12] mm: use put_page to free page instead of putback_lru_page Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23   ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23 ` [PATCH v6 02/12] mm: migrate: support non-lru movable page migration Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23 ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23   ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23   ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-27 14:26   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-27 14:26     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-27 14:26     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-30  1:33     ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-30  1:33       ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-30  1:33       ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-30  9:01       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-30  9:01         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-30  9:01         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-30  1:33     ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-27 14:26   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-30  1:39   ` PATCH v6v2 " Minchan Kim
2016-05-30  1:39     ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-30  1:39     ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-30  1:39     ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-30  9:36     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-30  9:36     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-30  9:36       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-30 16:25       ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-30 16:25         ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-30 16:25         ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-31  7:51         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-31  7:51         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-31  7:51           ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-31  0:01     ` [PATCH v6v3 " Minchan Kim
2016-05-31  0:01     ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-31  0:01       ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-31  0:01       ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-31  7:52       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-31  7:52         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-31 23:05         ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-31 23:05           ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-31 23:05         ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-31  7:52       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-06-13  9:38       ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-13  9:38         ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-15  2:32         ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-15  2:32           ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-15  6:45           ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-15  6:45             ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-15  6:45             ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-16  0:26             ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-16  0:26             ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-16  0:26               ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-16  0:26               ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-16  3:42               ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-16  3:42                 ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-16  3:42                 ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-16  5:37                 ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-16  5:37                   ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-27  5:51                   ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-27  5:51                   ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-27  5:51                     ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-28  6:39                     ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-28  6:39                     ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-28  6:39                       ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-30  5:56                       ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-30  5:56                         ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-30  6:18                         ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-30  6:18                         ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-30  6:18                           ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-30  6:18                           ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-30  5:56                       ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-06-16  5:37                 ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-15  2:32         ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-13  9:38       ` Anshuman Khandual
2016-05-20 14:23 ` [PATCH v6 03/12] mm: balloon: use general non-lru movable page feature Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23 ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23   ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-30 12:16   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-30 12:16   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-30 12:16     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-05-20 14:23 ` [PATCH v6 04/12] zsmalloc: keep max_object in size_class Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23   ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23 ` [PATCH v6 05/12] zsmalloc: use bit_spin_lock Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23   ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23 ` [PATCH v6 06/12] zsmalloc: use accessor Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23   ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23 ` [PATCH v6 07/12] zsmalloc: factor page chain functionality out Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23   ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23 ` [PATCH v6 08/12] zsmalloc: introduce zspage structure Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23   ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23 ` [PATCH v6 09/12] zsmalloc: separate free_zspage from putback_zspage Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23   ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23 ` [PATCH v6 10/12] zsmalloc: use freeobj for index Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23   ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23 ` [PATCH v6 11/12] zsmalloc: page migration support Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23   ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-24  5:28   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-05-24  5:28     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-05-24  6:28     ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-24  6:28       ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-24  8:05       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-05-24  8:05         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-05-24  8:17         ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-24  8:17           ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-25  5:14       ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-25  5:14         ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-25 15:23         ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2016-05-25 15:23           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-05-26  0:32           ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-26  0:32             ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-26  0:59             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-05-26  0:59               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-05-26  4:37               ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-26  4:37                 ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-26 21:50   ` [PATCH v6r2 " Minchan Kim
2016-05-26 21:50     ` Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23 ` [PATCH v6 12/12] zram: use __GFP_MOVABLE for memory allocation Minchan Kim
2016-05-20 14:23   ` Minchan Kim

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