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From: Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Waiman Long <Waiman.Long@hpe.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Scott J Norton <scott.norton@hpe.com>,
	Douglas Hatch <doug.hatch@hpe.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH-tip v2 1/6] locking/osq: Make lock/unlock proper acquire/release barrier
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 11:56:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160615185611.GE2094@linux-80c1.suse> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160615184007.GW30921@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

>On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:27:24AM -0700, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>
>> >In any case, its fairly simple to cure, just add
>> >smp_acquire__after_ctrl_dep() at the end. If we bail because
>> >need_resched() we don't need the acquire I think.
>>
>> I was just considering this for your smp_cond_acquire/smp_cond_load_acquire
>
>Right, so that need_resched break makes that a bit awkward. Not to
>mention the cpu_relaxed() vs cpu_relaxed_lowlatency() difference.

Oh sure, I was merely refering to the ordering semantics, not the calls
themselves -- although at some point, as archs begin to port locking/core
optimizations, we _will_ need the variants for dealing with '_lowlatency'.

>
>> rework, so yeah I guess an smp_acquire__after_ctrl_dep would be a nice
>> compromise.
>>
>> However, I was always under the impression that races with node->locked were
>> rather harmless (as indicated in the mentioned commit) -- which is why ->locked
>> are simple load/stores, with the exception of the unqueueing -- but yeah, that's
>> not even paired.
>
>Yeah, see a few patches further in this series, where he guards a
>variables with the osq_lock.

*sigh*

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Waiman Long <Waiman.Long@hpe.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	Jason Low <jason.low2@hp.com>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Scott J Norton <scott.norton@hpe.com>,
	Douglas Hatch <doug.hatch@hpe.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH-tip v2 1/6] locking/osq: Make lock/unlock proper acquire/release barrier
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 18:56:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160615185611.GE2094@linux-80c1.suse> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160615184007.GW30921@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

>On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:27:24AM -0700, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>
>> >In any case, its fairly simple to cure, just add
>> >smp_acquire__after_ctrl_dep() at the end. If we bail because
>> >need_resched() we don't need the acquire I think.
>>
>> I was just considering this for your smp_cond_acquire/smp_cond_load_acquire
>
>Right, so that need_resched break makes that a bit awkward. Not to
>mention the cpu_relaxed() vs cpu_relaxed_lowlatency() difference.

Oh sure, I was merely refering to the ordering semantics, not the calls
themselves -- although at some point, as archs begin to port locking/core
optimizations, we _will_ need the variants for dealing with '_lowlatency'.

>
>> rework, so yeah I guess an smp_acquire__after_ctrl_dep would be a nice
>> compromise.
>>
>> However, I was always under the impression that races with node->locked were
>> rather harmless (as indicated in the mentioned commit) -- which is why ->locked
>> are simple load/stores, with the exception of the unqueueing -- but yeah, that's
>> not even paired.
>
>Yeah, see a few patches further in this series, where he guards a
>variables with the osq_lock.

*sigh*

  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-15 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-14 22:48 [RFC PATCH-tip v2 0/6] locking/rwsem: Enable reader optimistic spinning Waiman Long
2016-06-14 22:48 ` Waiman Long
2016-06-14 22:48 ` [RFC PATCH-tip v2 1/6] locking/osq: Make lock/unlock proper acquire/release barrier Waiman Long
2016-06-14 22:48   ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15  8:04   ` Boqun Feng
2016-06-15  8:04     ` Boqun Feng
2016-06-15 17:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 17:18       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 19:01     ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:01       ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:01       ` Waiman Long
2016-06-16  2:19       ` Boqun Feng
2016-06-16  2:19         ` Boqun Feng
2016-06-16 10:16         ` Will Deacon
2016-06-16 10:16           ` Will Deacon
2016-06-16 21:35         ` Waiman Long
2016-06-16 21:35           ` Waiman Long
2016-06-16 21:35           ` Waiman Long
2016-06-17  0:48           ` Boqun Feng
2016-06-17  0:48             ` Boqun Feng
2016-06-17 15:26             ` Waiman Long
2016-06-17 15:26               ` Waiman Long
2016-06-17 15:26               ` Waiman Long
2016-06-17 15:45               ` Will Deacon
2016-06-17 15:45                 ` Will Deacon
2016-06-17 18:17                 ` Waiman Long
2016-06-17 18:17                   ` Waiman Long
2016-06-17 18:17                   ` Waiman Long
2016-06-18  8:46                   ` Boqun Feng
2016-06-18  8:46                     ` Boqun Feng
2016-06-20  7:59                     ` Will Deacon
2016-06-20  7:59                       ` Will Deacon
2016-06-15 16:56   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-06-15 16:56     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-06-15 17:12     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 17:12       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 18:27       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-06-15 18:27         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-06-15 18:40         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 18:40           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 18:56           ` Davidlohr Bueso [this message]
2016-06-15 18:56             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-06-17  1:11           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-06-17  1:11             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-06-17 14:28             ` Waiman Long
2016-06-17 14:28               ` Waiman Long
2016-06-17 14:28               ` Waiman Long
2016-06-17 16:29               ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-06-17 16:29                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-06-17 16:46                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-06-17 16:46                   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-06-15 19:08       ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:08         ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:08         ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 20:04         ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 20:04           ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 20:04           ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 21:59           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 21:59             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-14 22:48 ` [RFC PATCH-tip v2 2/6] locking/rwsem: Stop active read lock ASAP Waiman Long
2016-06-14 22:48   ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 17:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 17:22     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 19:17     ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:17       ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:17       ` Waiman Long
2016-06-16  2:14       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-06-16  2:14         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2016-06-16 21:25         ` Waiman Long
2016-06-16 21:25           ` Waiman Long
2016-06-16 21:25           ` Waiman Long
2016-06-14 22:48 ` [RFC PATCH-tip v2 3/6] locking/rwsem: Enable count-based spinning on reader Waiman Long
2016-06-14 22:48   ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 17:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 17:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 19:28     ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:28       ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:28       ` Waiman Long
2016-06-14 22:48 ` [RFC PATCH-tip v2 4/6] locking/rwsem: move down rwsem_down_read_failed function Waiman Long
2016-06-14 22:48   ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 17:40   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 17:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 19:21     ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:21       ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:21       ` Waiman Long
2016-06-14 22:48 ` [RFC PATCH-tip v2 5/6] locking/rwsem: Change RWSEM_WAITING_BIAS for better disambiguation Waiman Long
2016-06-14 22:48   ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 17:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 17:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 19:31     ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:31       ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:31       ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 21:57       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 21:57         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 17:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 17:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-06-15 19:35     ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:35       ` Waiman Long
2016-06-15 19:35       ` Waiman Long
2016-06-14 22:48 ` [RFC PATCH-tip v2 6/6] locking/rwsem: Enable spinning readers Waiman Long
2016-06-14 22:48   ` Waiman Long

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