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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Memory thrashing, was Re:  Self nomination
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:55:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160728185523.GA16390@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160725171142.GA26006@cmpxchg.org>

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 01:11:42PM -0400, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> Most recently I have been working on reviving swap for SSDs and
> persistent memory devices (https://lwn.net/Articles/690079/) as part
> of a bigger anti-thrashing effort to make the VM recover swiftly and
> predictably from load spikes.

A bit of context, in case we want to discuss this at KS:

We frequently have machines hang and stop responding indefinitely
after they experience memory load spikes. On closer look, we find most
tasks either in page reclaim or majorfaulting parts of an executable
or library. It's a typical thrashing pattern, where everybody
cannibalizes everybody else. The problem is that with fast storage the
cache reloads can be fast enough that there are never enough in-flight
pages at a time to cause page reclaim to fail and trigger the OOM
killer. The livelock persists until external remediation reboots the
box or we get lucky and non-cache allocations eventually suck up the
remaining page cache and trigger the OOM killer.

To avoid hitting this situation, we currently have to keep a generous
memory reserve for occasional spikes, which sucks for utilization the
rest of the time. Swap would be useful here, but the swapout code is
basically only triggering when memory pressure rises - which again
doesn't happen - so I've been working on the swap code to balance
cache reclaim vs. swap based on relative thrashing between the two.

There is usually some cold/unused anonymous memory lying around that
can be unloaded into swap during workload spikes, so that allows us to
drive up the average memory utilization without increasing the risk at
least. But if we screw up and there are not enough unused anon pages,
we are back to thrashing - only now it involves swapping too.

So how do we address this?

A pathological thrashing situation is very obvious to any user, but
it's not quite clear how to quantify it inside the kernel and have it
trigger the OOM killer. It might be useful to talk about
metrics. Could we quantify application progress? Could we quantify the
amount of time a task or the system spends thrashing, and somehow
express it as a percentage of overall execution time? Maybe something
comparable to IO wait time, except tracking the time spent performing
reclaim and waiting on IO that is refetching recently evicted pages?

This question seems to go beyond the memory subsystem and potentially
involve the scheduler and the block layer, so it might be a good tech
topic for KS.

Thanks

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-28 18:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-25 17:11 [Ksummit-discuss] Self nomination Johannes Weiner
2016-07-25 18:15 ` Rik van Riel
2016-07-26 10:56   ` Jan Kara
2016-07-26 13:10     ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-28 18:55 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2016-07-28 21:41   ` [Ksummit-discuss] [TECH TOPIC] Memory thrashing, was " James Bottomley
2016-08-01 15:46     ` Johannes Weiner
2016-08-01 16:06       ` James Bottomley
2016-08-01 16:11         ` Dave Hansen
2016-08-01 16:33           ` James Bottomley
2016-08-01 18:13             ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-01 19:51             ` Dave Hansen
2016-08-01 17:08           ` Johannes Weiner
2016-08-01 18:19             ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-29  0:25   ` Rik van Riel
2016-07-29 11:07   ` Mel Gorman
2016-07-29 16:26     ` Luck, Tony
2016-08-01 15:17       ` Rik van Riel
2016-08-01 16:55     ` Johannes Weiner
2016-08-02  9:18   ` Jan Kara

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