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From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
To: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
Cc: Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>,
	Don Dutile <ddutile@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
	eric.auger.pro@gmail.com, marc.zyngier@arm.com,
	robin.murphy@arm.com, tglx@linutronix.de, jason@lakedaemon.net,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	drjones@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	pranav.sawargaonkar@gmail.com, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	punit.agrawal@arm.com, diana.craciun@nxp.com,
	benh@kernel.crashing.org, arnd@arndb.de, jcm@redhat.com,
	dwmw@amazon.co.uk
Subject: Re: Summary of LPC guest MSI discussion in Santa Fe
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:07:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161110100704.7dd16e2f@t450s.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161110144007.GC2078@8bytes.org>

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:40:07 +0100
Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 01:01:14PM -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > Well, it's not like QEMU or libvirt stumbling through sysfs to figure
> > out where holes could be in order to instantiate a VM with matching
> > holes, just in case someone might decide to hot-add a device into the
> > VM, at some point, and hopefully they don't migrate the VM to another
> > host with a different layout first, is all that much less disgusting or
> > foolproof. It's just that in order to dynamically remove a page as a
> > possible DMA target we require a paravirt channel, such as a balloon
> > driver that's able to pluck a specific page.  In some ways it's
> > actually less disgusting, but it puts some prerequisites on
> > enlightening the guest OS.  Thanks,  
> 
> I think it is much simpler if libvirt/qemu just go through all
> potentially assignable devices on a system and pre-exclude any addresses
> from guest RAM beforehand, rather than doing something like this with
> paravirt/ballooning when a device is hot-added. There is no guarantee
> that you can take a page away from a linux-guest.

Right, I'm not advocating a paravirt ballooning approach, just pointing
out that they're both terrible, just in different ways.  Thanks,

Alex

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Joerg Roedel <joro-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: drjones-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	jason-NLaQJdtUoK4Be96aLqz0jA@public.gmane.org,
	kvm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	marc.zyngier-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org,
	benh-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	punit.agrawal-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org,
	iommu-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	pranav.sawargaonkar-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	jcm-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org,
	dwmw-vV1OtcyAfmbQXOPxS62xeg@public.gmane.org,
	Christoffer Dall
	<christoffer.dall-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	eric.auger.pro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Summary of LPC guest MSI discussion in Santa Fe
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:07:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161110100704.7dd16e2f@t450s.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161110144007.GC2078-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:40:07 +0100
Joerg Roedel <joro-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 01:01:14PM -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > Well, it's not like QEMU or libvirt stumbling through sysfs to figure
> > out where holes could be in order to instantiate a VM with matching
> > holes, just in case someone might decide to hot-add a device into the
> > VM, at some point, and hopefully they don't migrate the VM to another
> > host with a different layout first, is all that much less disgusting or
> > foolproof. It's just that in order to dynamically remove a page as a
> > possible DMA target we require a paravirt channel, such as a balloon
> > driver that's able to pluck a specific page.  In some ways it's
> > actually less disgusting, but it puts some prerequisites on
> > enlightening the guest OS.  Thanks,  
> 
> I think it is much simpler if libvirt/qemu just go through all
> potentially assignable devices on a system and pre-exclude any addresses
> from guest RAM beforehand, rather than doing something like this with
> paravirt/ballooning when a device is hot-added. There is no guarantee
> that you can take a page away from a linux-guest.

Right, I'm not advocating a paravirt ballooning approach, just pointing
out that they're both terrible, just in different ways.  Thanks,

Alex

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: alex.williamson@redhat.com (Alex Williamson)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Summary of LPC guest MSI discussion in Santa Fe
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 10:07:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161110100704.7dd16e2f@t450s.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161110144007.GC2078@8bytes.org>

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 15:40:07 +0100
Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 01:01:14PM -0700, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > Well, it's not like QEMU or libvirt stumbling through sysfs to figure
> > out where holes could be in order to instantiate a VM with matching
> > holes, just in case someone might decide to hot-add a device into the
> > VM, at some point, and hopefully they don't migrate the VM to another
> > host with a different layout first, is all that much less disgusting or
> > foolproof. It's just that in order to dynamically remove a page as a
> > possible DMA target we require a paravirt channel, such as a balloon
> > driver that's able to pluck a specific page.  In some ways it's
> > actually less disgusting, but it puts some prerequisites on
> > enlightening the guest OS.  Thanks,  
> 
> I think it is much simpler if libvirt/qemu just go through all
> potentially assignable devices on a system and pre-exclude any addresses
> from guest RAM beforehand, rather than doing something like this with
> paravirt/ballooning when a device is hot-added. There is no guarantee
> that you can take a page away from a linux-guest.

Right, I'm not advocating a paravirt ballooning approach, just pointing
out that they're both terrible, just in different ways.  Thanks,

Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-10 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-03 21:39 [RFC 0/8] KVM PCIe/MSI passthrough on ARM/ARM64 (Alt II) Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39 ` Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39 ` Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39 ` [RFC 1/8] vfio: fix vfio_info_cap_add/shift Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39   ` Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39 ` [RFC 2/8] iommu/iova: fix __alloc_and_insert_iova_range Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39   ` Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39 ` [RFC 3/8] iommu/dma: Allow MSI-only cookies Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39   ` Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39 ` [RFC 4/8] iommu: Add a list of iommu_reserved_region in iommu_domain Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39 ` [RFC 5/8] vfio/type1: Introduce RESV_IOVA_RANGE capability Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39   ` Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39 ` [RFC 6/8] iommu: Handle the list of reserved regions Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39 ` [RFC 7/8] iommu/vt-d: Implement add_reserved_regions callback Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39 ` [RFC 8/8] iommu/arm-smmu: implement " Eric Auger
2016-11-03 21:39   ` Eric Auger
2016-11-04  4:02 ` [RFC 0/8] KVM PCIe/MSI passthrough on ARM/ARM64 (Alt II) Alex Williamson
2016-11-04  4:02   ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-04  4:02   ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-08  2:45   ` Summary of LPC guest MSI discussion in Santa Fe (was: Re: [RFC 0/8] KVM PCIe/MSI passthrough on ARM/ARM64 (Alt II)) Will Deacon
2016-11-08  2:45     ` Will Deacon
2016-11-08 14:27     ` Summary of LPC guest MSI discussion in Santa Fe Auger Eric
2016-11-08 14:27       ` Auger Eric
2016-11-08 17:54       ` Will Deacon
2016-11-08 17:54         ` Will Deacon
2016-11-08 17:54         ` Will Deacon
2016-11-08 19:02         ` Don Dutile
2016-11-08 19:02           ` Don Dutile
2016-11-08 19:02           ` Don Dutile
2016-11-08 19:10           ` Will Deacon
2016-11-08 19:10             ` Will Deacon
2016-11-09  7:43           ` Auger Eric
2016-11-09  7:43             ` Auger Eric
2016-11-09  7:43             ` Auger Eric
2016-11-08 16:02     ` Don Dutile
2016-11-08 16:02       ` Don Dutile
2016-11-08 20:29     ` Summary of LPC guest MSI discussion in Santa Fe (was: Re: [RFC 0/8] KVM PCIe/MSI passthrough on ARM/ARM64 (Alt II)) Christoffer Dall
2016-11-08 20:29       ` Christoffer Dall
2016-11-08 20:29       ` Christoffer Dall
2016-11-08 23:35       ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-08 23:35         ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-08 23:35         ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-09  2:52         ` Summary of LPC guest MSI discussion in Santa Fe Don Dutile
2016-11-09  2:52           ` Don Dutile
2016-11-09  2:52           ` Don Dutile
2016-11-09 17:03           ` Will Deacon
2016-11-09 17:03             ` Will Deacon
2016-11-09 17:03             ` Will Deacon
2016-11-09 18:59             ` Don Dutile
2016-11-09 18:59               ` Don Dutile
2016-11-09 19:23               ` Christoffer Dall
2016-11-09 19:23                 ` Christoffer Dall
2016-11-09 19:23                 ` Christoffer Dall
2016-11-09 20:01                 ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-09 20:01                   ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-09 20:01                   ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-10 14:40                   ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-10 14:40                     ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-10 17:07                     ` Alex Williamson [this message]
2016-11-10 17:07                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-10 17:07                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-09 20:31                 ` Will Deacon
2016-11-09 20:31                   ` Will Deacon
2016-11-09 22:17                   ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-09 22:17                     ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-09 22:17                     ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-09 22:25                     ` Will Deacon
2016-11-09 22:25                       ` Will Deacon
2016-11-09 22:25                       ` Will Deacon
2016-11-09 23:24                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-09 23:24                         ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-09 23:24                         ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-09 23:38                         ` Will Deacon
2016-11-09 23:38                           ` Will Deacon
2016-11-09 23:59                           ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-09 23:59                             ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-09 23:59                             ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-10  0:14                             ` Auger Eric
2016-11-10  0:14                               ` Auger Eric
2016-11-10  0:55                               ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-10  0:55                                 ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-10  0:55                                 ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-10  2:01                                 ` Will Deacon
2016-11-10  2:01                                   ` Will Deacon
2016-11-10 11:14                                   ` Auger Eric
2016-11-10 11:14                                     ` Auger Eric
2016-11-10 11:14                                     ` Auger Eric
2016-11-10 17:46                                     ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-10 17:46                                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-10 17:46                                       ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-11 11:19                                       ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-11 11:19                                         ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-11 15:50                                         ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-11 15:50                                           ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-11 15:50                                           ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-11 16:05                                           ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-11 16:05                                             ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-11 16:05                                             ` Alex Williamson
2016-11-14 15:19                                             ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-14 15:19                                               ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-11 16:25                                           ` Don Dutile
2016-11-11 16:25                                             ` Don Dutile
2016-11-11 16:25                                             ` Don Dutile
2016-11-11 16:00                                         ` Don Dutile
2016-11-11 16:00                                           ` Don Dutile
2016-11-11 16:00                                           ` Don Dutile
2016-11-10 14:52                               ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-10 14:52                                 ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-09 20:11               ` Robin Murphy
2016-11-09 20:11                 ` Robin Murphy
2016-11-10 15:18                 ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-10 15:18                   ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-10 15:18                   ` Joerg Roedel
2016-11-21  5:13     ` Jon Masters
2016-11-21  5:13       ` Jon Masters
2016-11-21  5:13       ` Jon Masters
2016-11-23 20:12       ` Don Dutile
2016-11-23 20:12         ` Don Dutile
2016-11-23 20:12         ` Don Dutile

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