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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Shaohua Li <shli@fb.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Kernel-team@fb.com, minchan@kernel.org, hughd@google.com,
	riel@redhat.com, mgorman@techsingularity.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH V5 6/6] proc: show MADV_FREE pages info in smaps
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 16:10:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170303161027.6fe4ceb0bcd27e1dbed44a5d@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170302163054.GR1404@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 17:30:54 +0100 Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:

> > It's not that I think you're wrong: it *is* an implementation detail.
> > But we take a bit of incoherency from batching all over the place, so
> > it's a little odd to take a stand over this particular instance of it
> > - whether demanding that it'd be fixed, or be documented, which would
> > only suggest to users that this is special when it really isn't etc.
> 
> I am not aware of other counter printed in smaps that would suffer from
> the same problem, but I haven't checked too deeply so I might be wrong. 
> 
> Anyway it seems that I am alone in my position so I will not insist.
> If we have any bug report then we can still fix it.

A single lru_add_drain_all() right at the top level (in smaps_show()?)
won't kill us and should significantly improve this issue.  And it
might accidentally make some of the other smaps statistics more
accurate as well.

If not, can we please have a nice comment somewhere appropriate which
explains why LazyFree is inaccurate and why we chose to leave it that
way?

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Shaohua Li <shli@fb.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Kernel-team@fb.com, minchan@kernel.org, hughd@google.com,
	riel@redhat.com, mgorman@techsingularity.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH V5 6/6] proc: show MADV_FREE pages info in smaps
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 16:10:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170303161027.6fe4ceb0bcd27e1dbed44a5d@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170302163054.GR1404@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Thu, 2 Mar 2017 17:30:54 +0100 Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:

> > It's not that I think you're wrong: it *is* an implementation detail.
> > But we take a bit of incoherency from batching all over the place, so
> > it's a little odd to take a stand over this particular instance of it
> > - whether demanding that it'd be fixed, or be documented, which would
> > only suggest to users that this is special when it really isn't etc.
> 
> I am not aware of other counter printed in smaps that would suffer from
> the same problem, but I haven't checked too deeply so I might be wrong. 
> 
> Anyway it seems that I am alone in my position so I will not insist.
> If we have any bug report then we can still fix it.

A single lru_add_drain_all() right at the top level (in smaps_show()?)
won't kill us and should significantly improve this issue.  And it
might accidentally make some of the other smaps statistics more
accurate as well.

If not, can we please have a nice comment somewhere appropriate which
explains why LazyFree is inaccurate and why we chose to leave it that
way?

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-04  0:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-24 21:31 [PATCH V5 0/6] mm: fix some MADV_FREE issues Shaohua Li
2017-02-24 21:31 ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-24 21:31 ` [PATCH V5 1/6] mm: delete unnecessary TTU_* flags Shaohua Li
2017-02-24 21:31   ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-27 13:48   ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-27 13:48     ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-24 21:31 ` [PATCH V5 2/6] mm: don't assume anonymous pages have SwapBacked flag Shaohua Li
2017-02-24 21:31   ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-27  6:48   ` Hillf Danton
2017-02-27  6:48     ` Hillf Danton
2017-02-27 14:35   ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-27 14:35     ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-27 16:10     ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-27 16:10       ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-27 16:28       ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-27 16:28         ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-24 21:31 ` [PATCH V5 3/6] mm: move MADV_FREE pages into LRU_INACTIVE_FILE list Shaohua Li
2017-02-24 21:31   ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-27  6:28   ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-27  6:28     ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-27 16:13     ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-27 16:13       ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-27 16:30       ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-27 16:30         ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-28  2:53       ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-28  2:53         ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-27 14:53   ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-27 14:53     ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-27 17:15   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-02-27 17:15     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-02-28  3:19   ` Hillf Danton
2017-02-28  3:19     ` Hillf Danton
2017-02-24 21:31 ` [PATCH V5 4/6] mm: reclaim MADV_FREE pages Shaohua Li
2017-02-24 21:31   ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-27  6:33   ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-27  6:33     ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-27 16:19     ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-27 16:19       ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-27 16:32       ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-27 16:32         ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-28  5:02       ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-28  5:02         ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-27 15:05   ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-27 15:05     ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-27 17:21   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-02-27 17:21     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-02-28  3:21   ` Hillf Danton
2017-02-28  3:21     ` Hillf Danton
2017-02-24 21:31 ` [PATCH V5 5/6] mm: enable MADV_FREE for swapless system Shaohua Li
2017-02-24 21:31   ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-27 15:06   ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-27 15:06     ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-28  3:22   ` Hillf Danton
2017-02-28  3:22     ` Hillf Danton
2017-02-28  5:02   ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-28  5:02     ` Minchan Kim
2017-02-24 21:31 ` [PATCH V5 6/6] proc: show MADV_FREE pages info in smaps Shaohua Li
2017-02-24 21:31   ` Shaohua Li
2017-02-27 15:06   ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-27 15:06     ` Michal Hocko
2017-02-28  3:23   ` Hillf Danton
2017-02-28  3:23     ` Hillf Danton
2017-03-01 13:36   ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-01 13:36     ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-01 17:37     ` Shaohua Li
2017-03-01 17:37       ` Shaohua Li
2017-03-01 17:49       ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-01 17:49         ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-01 18:18         ` Shaohua Li
2017-03-01 18:18           ` Shaohua Li
2017-03-01 18:31     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-03-01 18:31       ` Johannes Weiner
2017-03-01 18:57       ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-01 18:57         ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-02  7:39         ` Minchan Kim
2017-03-02  7:39           ` Minchan Kim
2017-03-02 14:01         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-03-02 14:01           ` Johannes Weiner
2017-03-02 16:30           ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-02 16:30             ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-04  0:10             ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2017-03-04  0:10               ` Andrew Morton
2017-03-07 10:05               ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-07 10:05                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-03-07 22:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2017-03-07 22:43                   ` Andrew Morton
2017-03-08  5:36                   ` Minchan Kim
2017-03-08  5:36                     ` Minchan Kim

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