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From: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@iki.fi>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Hans Verkuil <hans.verkuil@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2.1] v4l: Clearly document interactions between formats, controls and buffers
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 23:27:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170305212745.GC3220@valkosipuli.retiisi.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170305143936.11257-1-laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com>

Hi Laurent,

Thanks for the update.

On Sun, Mar 05, 2017 at 04:39:36PM +0200, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> V4L2 exposes parameters that influence buffers sizes through the format
> ioctls (VIDIOC_G_FMT, VIDIOC_TRY_FMT, VIDIOC_S_FMT, and possibly
> VIDIOC_G_SELECTION and VIDIOC_S_SELECTION). Other parameters not part of
> the format structure may also influence buffer sizes or buffer layout in
> general. One existing such parameter is rotation, which is implemented
> by the VIDIOC_ROTATE control and thus exposed through the V4L2 control

V4L2_CID_ROTATE

> ioctls.
> 
> The interaction between those parameters and buffers is currently only
> partially specified by the V4L2 API. In particular interactions between
> controls and buffers isn't specified at all. The behaviour of the
> VIDIOC_S_FMT and VIDIOC_S_SELECTION ioctls when buffers are allocated is
> also not fully specified.
> 
> This commit clearly defines and documents the interactions between

It's say it's a patch, and most kernel developers seem to agree:

$ git log v4.9..v4.10|grep -ci
'this patch'
1816
$ git log v4.9..v4.10|grep -ci
'this commit'
217

Up to you. :-)

> formats, selections, controls and buffers.
> 
> The preparatory discussions for the documentation change considered
> completely disallowing controls that change the buffer size or layout,
> in favour of extending the format API with a new ioctl that would bundle
> those controls with format information. The idea has been rejected, as
> this would essentially be a restricted version of the upcoming request
> API that wouldn't bring any additional value.
> 
> Another option we have considered was to mandate the use of the request
> API to modify controls that influence buffer size or layout. This has
> also been rejected on the grounds that requiring the request API to
> change rotation even when streaming is stopped would significantly
> complicate implementation of drivers and usage of the V4L2 API for
> applications.
> 
> Applications will however be required to use the upcoming request API to
> change at runtime formats or controls that influence the buffer size or
> layout, because of the need to synchronize buffers with the formats and
> controls. Otherwise there would be no way to interpret the content of a
> buffer correctly.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com>
> ---
> Changes since v2:
> 
> - Document the interaction with ioctls that can affect formats
>   (VIDIOC_S_SELECTION, VIDIOC_S_INPUT, VIDIOC_S_OUTPUT, VIDIOC_S_STD and
>   VIDIOC_S_DV_TIMINGS)
> - Clarify the format/control change order
> ---
>  Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst | 108 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 108 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst
> index ac58966ccb9b..ce46908bedfb 100644
> --- a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst
> @@ -34,6 +34,114 @@ flags are copied from the OUTPUT video buffer to the CAPTURE video
>  buffer.
>  
>  
> +Interactions between formats, controls and buffers
> +==================================================
> +
> +V4L2 exposes parameters that influence the buffer size, or the way data is
> +laid out in the buffer. Those parameters are exposed through both formats and
> +controls. One example of such a control is the ``V4L2_CID_ROTATE`` control
> +that modifies the direction in which pixels are stored in the buffer, as well
> +as the buffer size when the selected format includes padding at the end of
> +lines.
> +
> +The set of information needed to interpret the content of a buffer (e.g. the
> +pixel format, the line stride, the tiling orientation or the rotation) is
> +collectively referred to in the rest of this section as the buffer layout.
> +
> +Modifying formats or controls that influence the buffer size or layout require
> +the stream to be stopped. Any attempt at such a modification while the stream
> +is active shall cause the format or control set ioctl to return the ``EBUSY``

How about:

s/the format or control set ioctl/the ioctl setting the format or the
control/

> +error code.
> +
> +Controls that only influence the buffer layout can be modified at any time
> +when the stream is stopped. As they don't influence the buffer size, no
> +special handling is needed to synchronize those controls with buffer
> +allocation.
> +
> +Formats and controls that influence the buffer size interact with buffer
> +allocation. As buffer allocation is an expensive operation, drivers should
> +allow format or controls that influence the buffer size to be changed with
> +buffers allocated. A typical ioctl sequence to modify format and controls is
> +
> + #. VIDIOC_STREAMOFF
> + #. VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS
> + #. VIDIOC_S_FMT
> + #. VIDIOC_QBUF
> + #. VIDIOC_STREAMON
> +
> +.. note::
> +
> +   The API doesn't mandate the above order for control (2.) and format (3.)
> +   changes. Format and controls can be set in a different order, or even
> +   interleaved, depending on the device and use case. For instance some
> +   controls might behave differently for different pixel formats, in which
> +   case the format might need to be set first.
> +
> +Queued buffers must be large enough for the new format or controls.
> +
> +Drivers shall return a ``ENOSPC`` error in response to format change
> +(:c:func:`VIDIOC_S_FMT`) or control changes (:c:func:`VIDIOC_S_CTRL` or
> +:c:func:`VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS`) if buffers too small for the new format are
> +currently queued. As a simplification, drivers are allowed to return an error
> +from these ioctls if any buffer is currently queued, without checking the
> +queued buffers sizes.
> +
> +.. note::
> +
> +   The :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_SELECTION` ioctl can, depending on the hardware (for
> +   instance if the device doesn't include a scaler), modify the format in
> +   addition to the selection rectangle. Similarly, the
> +   :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_INPUT`, :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_OUTPUT`, :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_STD`
> +   and :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_DV_TIMINGS` ioctls can also modify the format and
> +   selection rectangles. Driver shall return the same ``ENOSPC`` error from
> +   all ioctls that would result in formats too large for queued buffers.
> +
> +Drivers shall also return a ``ENOSPC`` error from the :c:func:`VIDIOC_QBUF`
> +ioctl if the buffer being queued is too small for the current format or
> +controls. Together, these requirements ensure that queued buffers will always
> +be large enough for the configured format and controls.
> +
> +Userspace applications can query the buffer size required for a given format
> +and controls by first setting the desired control values and then trying the
> +desired format. The :c:func:`VIDIOC_TRY_FMT` ioctl will return the required
> +buffer size.
> +
> + #. VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS(x)
> + #. VIDIOC_TRY_FMT()
> + #. VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS(y)
> + #. VIDIOC_TRY_FMT()
> +
> +The :c:func:`VIDIOC_CREATE_BUFS` ioctl can then be used to allocate buffers
> +based on the queried sizes (for instance by allocating a set of buffers large
> +enough for all the desired formats and controls, or by allocating separate set
> +of appropriately sized buffers for each use case).
> +
> +To simplify their implementation, drivers may also require buffers to be
> +reallocated in order to change formats or controls that influence the buffer
> +size. In that case, to perform such changes, userspace applications shall
> +first stop the video stream with the :c:func:`VIDIOC_STREAMOFF` ioctl if it
> +is running and free all buffers with the :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS` ioctl if
> +they are allocated. The format or controls can then be modified, and buffers
> +shall then be reallocated and the stream restarted. A typical ioctl sequence
> +is
> +
> + #. VIDIOC_STREAMOFF
> + #. VIDIOC_REQBUFS(0)
> + #. VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS
> + #. VIDIOC_S_FMT
> + #. VIDIOC_REQBUFS(n)
> + #. VIDIOC_QBUF
> + #. VIDIOC_STREAMON
> +
> +The second :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS` call will take the new format and control
> +value into account to compute the buffer size to allocate. Applications can
> +also retrieve the size by calling the :c:func:`VIDIOC_G_FMT` ioctl if needed.
> +
> +When reallocation is required, any attempt to modify format or controls that
> +influences the buffer size while buffers are allocated shall cause the format
> +or control set ioctl to return the ``EBUSY`` error code.
> +
> +
>  .. c:type:: v4l2_buffer
>  
>  struct v4l2_buffer

With the above fixed / considered,

Acked-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>

-- 
Kind regards,

Sakari Ailus
e-mail: sakari.ailus@iki.fi	XMPP: sailus@retiisi.org.uk

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@iki.fi>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>,
	Hans Verkuil <hans.verkuil@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2.1] v4l: Clearly document interactions between formats, controls and buffers
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 23:27:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170305212745.GC3220@valkosipuli.retiisi.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170305143936.11257-1-laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com>

Hi Laurent,

Thanks for the update.

On Sun, Mar 05, 2017 at 04:39:36PM +0200, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> V4L2 exposes parameters that influence buffers sizes through the format
> ioctls (VIDIOC_G_FMT, VIDIOC_TRY_FMT, VIDIOC_S_FMT, and possibly
> VIDIOC_G_SELECTION and VIDIOC_S_SELECTION). Other parameters not part of
> the format structure may also influence buffer sizes or buffer layout in
> general. One existing such parameter is rotation, which is implemented
> by the VIDIOC_ROTATE control and thus exposed through the V4L2 control

V4L2_CID_ROTATE

> ioctls.
> 
> The interaction between those parameters and buffers is currently only
> partially specified by the V4L2 API. In particular interactions between
> controls and buffers isn't specified at all. The behaviour of the
> VIDIOC_S_FMT and VIDIOC_S_SELECTION ioctls when buffers are allocated is
> also not fully specified.
> 
> This commit clearly defines and documents the interactions between

It's say it's a patch, and most kernel developers seem to agree:

$�git log v4.9..v4.10|grep -ci
'this patch'
1816
$ git log v4.9..v4.10|grep -ci
'this commit'
217

Up to you. :-)

> formats, selections, controls and buffers.
> 
> The preparatory discussions for the documentation change considered
> completely disallowing controls that change the buffer size or layout,
> in favour of extending the format API with a new ioctl that would bundle
> those controls with format information. The idea has been rejected, as
> this would essentially be a restricted version of the upcoming request
> API that wouldn't bring any additional value.
> 
> Another option we have considered was to mandate the use of the request
> API to modify controls that influence buffer size or layout. This has
> also been rejected on the grounds that requiring the request API to
> change rotation even when streaming is stopped would significantly
> complicate implementation of drivers and usage of the V4L2 API for
> applications.
> 
> Applications will however be required to use the upcoming request API to
> change at runtime formats or controls that influence the buffer size or
> layout, because of the need to synchronize buffers with the formats and
> controls. Otherwise there would be no way to interpret the content of a
> buffer correctly.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart+renesas@ideasonboard.com>
> ---
> Changes since v2:
> 
> - Document the interaction with ioctls that can affect formats
>   (VIDIOC_S_SELECTION, VIDIOC_S_INPUT, VIDIOC_S_OUTPUT, VIDIOC_S_STD and
>   VIDIOC_S_DV_TIMINGS)
> - Clarify the format/control change order
> ---
>  Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst | 108 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 108 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst
> index ac58966ccb9b..ce46908bedfb 100644
> --- a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/buffer.rst
> @@ -34,6 +34,114 @@ flags are copied from the OUTPUT video buffer to the CAPTURE video
>  buffer.
>  
>  
> +Interactions between formats, controls and buffers
> +==================================================
> +
> +V4L2 exposes parameters that influence the buffer size, or the way data is
> +laid out in the buffer. Those parameters are exposed through both formats and
> +controls. One example of such a control is the ``V4L2_CID_ROTATE`` control
> +that modifies the direction in which pixels are stored in the buffer, as well
> +as the buffer size when the selected format includes padding at the end of
> +lines.
> +
> +The set of information needed to interpret the content of a buffer (e.g. the
> +pixel format, the line stride, the tiling orientation or the rotation) is
> +collectively referred to in the rest of this section as the buffer layout.
> +
> +Modifying formats or controls that influence the buffer size or layout require
> +the stream to be stopped. Any attempt at such a modification while the stream
> +is active shall cause the format or control set ioctl to return the ``EBUSY``

How about:

s/the format or control set ioctl/the ioctl setting the format or the
control/

> +error code.
> +
> +Controls that only influence the buffer layout can be modified at any time
> +when the stream is stopped. As they don't influence the buffer size, no
> +special handling is needed to synchronize those controls with buffer
> +allocation.
> +
> +Formats and controls that influence the buffer size interact with buffer
> +allocation. As buffer allocation is an expensive operation, drivers should
> +allow format or controls that influence the buffer size to be changed with
> +buffers allocated. A typical ioctl sequence to modify format and controls is
> +
> + #. VIDIOC_STREAMOFF
> + #. VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS
> + #. VIDIOC_S_FMT
> + #. VIDIOC_QBUF
> + #. VIDIOC_STREAMON
> +
> +.. note::
> +
> +   The API doesn't mandate the above order for control (2.) and format (3.)
> +   changes. Format and controls can be set in a different order, or even
> +   interleaved, depending on the device and use case. For instance some
> +   controls might behave differently for different pixel formats, in which
> +   case the format might need to be set first.
> +
> +Queued buffers must be large enough for the new format or controls.
> +
> +Drivers shall return a ``ENOSPC`` error in response to format change
> +(:c:func:`VIDIOC_S_FMT`) or control changes (:c:func:`VIDIOC_S_CTRL` or
> +:c:func:`VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS`) if buffers too small for the new format are
> +currently queued. As a simplification, drivers are allowed to return an error
> +from these ioctls if any buffer is currently queued, without checking the
> +queued buffers sizes.
> +
> +.. note::
> +
> +   The :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_SELECTION` ioctl can, depending on the hardware (for
> +   instance if the device doesn't include a scaler), modify the format in
> +   addition to the selection rectangle. Similarly, the
> +   :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_INPUT`, :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_OUTPUT`, :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_STD`
> +   and :c:func:`VIDIOC_S_DV_TIMINGS` ioctls can also modify the format and
> +   selection rectangles. Driver shall return the same ``ENOSPC`` error from
> +   all ioctls that would result in formats too large for queued buffers.
> +
> +Drivers shall also return a ``ENOSPC`` error from the :c:func:`VIDIOC_QBUF`
> +ioctl if the buffer being queued is too small for the current format or
> +controls. Together, these requirements ensure that queued buffers will always
> +be large enough for the configured format and controls.
> +
> +Userspace applications can query the buffer size required for a given format
> +and controls by first setting the desired control values and then trying the
> +desired format. The :c:func:`VIDIOC_TRY_FMT` ioctl will return the required
> +buffer size.
> +
> + #. VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS(x)
> + #. VIDIOC_TRY_FMT()
> + #. VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS(y)
> + #. VIDIOC_TRY_FMT()
> +
> +The :c:func:`VIDIOC_CREATE_BUFS` ioctl can then be used to allocate buffers
> +based on the queried sizes (for instance by allocating a set of buffers large
> +enough for all the desired formats and controls, or by allocating separate set
> +of appropriately sized buffers for each use case).
> +
> +To simplify their implementation, drivers may also require buffers to be
> +reallocated in order to change formats or controls that influence the buffer
> +size. In that case, to perform such changes, userspace applications shall
> +first stop the video stream with the :c:func:`VIDIOC_STREAMOFF` ioctl if it
> +is running and free all buffers with the :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS` ioctl if
> +they are allocated. The format or controls can then be modified, and buffers
> +shall then be reallocated and the stream restarted. A typical ioctl sequence
> +is
> +
> + #. VIDIOC_STREAMOFF
> + #. VIDIOC_REQBUFS(0)
> + #. VIDIOC_S_EXT_CTRLS
> + #. VIDIOC_S_FMT
> + #. VIDIOC_REQBUFS(n)
> + #. VIDIOC_QBUF
> + #. VIDIOC_STREAMON
> +
> +The second :c:func:`VIDIOC_REQBUFS` call will take the new format and control
> +value into account to compute the buffer size to allocate. Applications can
> +also retrieve the size by calling the :c:func:`VIDIOC_G_FMT` ioctl if needed.
> +
> +When reallocation is required, any attempt to modify format or controls that
> +influences the buffer size while buffers are allocated shall cause the format
> +or control set ioctl to return the ``EBUSY`` error code.
> +
> +
>  .. c:type:: v4l2_buffer
>  
>  struct v4l2_buffer

With the above fixed / considered,

Acked-by: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>

-- 
Kind regards,

Sakari Ailus
e-mail: sakari.ailus@iki.fi	XMPP: sailus@retiisi.org.uk

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-05 21:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-28 15:03 [PATCH v2 0/3] Renesas R-Car VSP1 rotation support Laurent Pinchart
2017-02-28 15:03 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] v4l: vsp1: Fix multi-line comment style Laurent Pinchart
2017-02-28 15:03 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] v4l: Clearly document interactions between formats, controls and buffers Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-02 15:37   ` Sakari Ailus
2017-03-04 10:57     ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-04 13:48       ` Sakari Ailus
2017-03-05 12:52         ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-04 10:53   ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-04 14:37     ` Sakari Ailus
2017-03-06  9:27       ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-05 14:35     ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-06  9:41       ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-05 14:39   ` [PATCH v2.1] " Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-05 21:27     ` Sakari Ailus [this message]
2017-03-05 21:27       ` Sakari Ailus
2017-03-05 21:36     ` [PATCH v2.2] " Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-06 10:04       ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-06 10:35         ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-06 10:46           ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-06 13:38             ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-06 14:14       ` [PATCH v2.3] " Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-06 14:24         ` Hans Verkuil
2017-04-10 12:05         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-02-28 15:03 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] v4l: vsp1: wpf: Implement rotation support Laurent Pinchart
2017-02-28 21:13   ` Sakari Ailus
2017-02-28 21:13     ` Sakari Ailus
2017-02-28 22:23     ` Laurent Pinchart
2017-03-06  0:43   ` [PATCH v2.1 " Laurent Pinchart

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