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From: Chad Versace <chadversary@chromium.org>
To: Matt Turner <mattst88@gmail.com>
Cc: ML mesa-dev <mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Emil Velikov <emil.l.velikov@gmail.com>,
	ML dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC libdrm 0/2] Replace the build system with meson
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:59:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170324205950.GD167545@chadversary.pdx.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEdQ38GfgCic6_ACCidF8CALg3Q_mNrhee0fdYcV_yheTAXy4g@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue 21 Mar 2017, Matt Turner wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Emil Velikov <emil.l.velikov@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 21 March 2017 at 15:57, Matt Turner <mattst88@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Emil Velikov <emil.l.velikov@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 20 March 2017 at 18:30, Matt Turner <mattst88@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Emil Velikov <emil.l.velikov@gmail.com> wrote:


> Let me try one last time:
> 
> (1) Non-recursive automake is necessary for parallel build performance
> (2) Non-recursive automake is intractably unmaintainable for
> sufficiently large projects
> (3) Mesa is a sufficiently large project
> 
> Therefore using automake will be either bad for parallel build
> performance, unmaintainable, or both.
> 
> Meson aims to be a build system actually capable of replacing
> autotools (IMO unlike cmake, scons, waf, et al.). It offers a much
> cleaner domain specific language for writing the build rules, while
> generating non-recursive ninja build files. It does not use libtool.
> It supports Windows. It supports cross compilation.
> 
> And it has momentum: libepoxy already has a Meson build system. Others
> in the X.Org community are experimenting with it for libinput, Wayland
> and Weston, and the xserver.
> 
> All of that makes Meson very compelling.

Matt, I just wanted to say thanks for capturing in a nutshell the
argument for a Meson trial.

I want Meson because my builds are too slow. I regularly build an entire
fucking operating system from scratch (Chrome OS), and I cry when top
shows only 1 core at 100% and the other 47 cores sitting idle.

Autotools and libtool are often the culprit. The libtool penalty is paid
on every build, not just at configure time.

The only way to get all 48 cores closer to 100% is to (1) use
a non-recursive build system that (2) doesnt' use shell nor (3) libtool.

I don't care about new shiny. I'm often wary of new shiny things that
receive too much excitement.  Meson is a such a new shiny. But I'm
willing to overlook my aversion to new shiny Meson's immaturity if
it makes Chrome OS build faster... at least for Mesa.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-24 20:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-16 21:25 [RFC libdrm 0/2] Replace the build system with meson Dylan Baker
2017-03-16 21:25 ` [RFC libdrm 1/2] Port build system to meson Dylan Baker
2017-03-16 21:25 ` [RFC libdrm 2/2] remove autotools build Dylan Baker
2017-03-16 21:32 ` [RFC libdrm 0/2] Replace the build system with meson Ilia Mirkin
2017-03-16 21:57   ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-17 10:05     ` Neil Armstrong
2017-03-16 22:36 ` Marek Olšák
2017-03-16 23:11   ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-17  1:53     ` Marek Olšák
2017-03-17  4:15       ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-17 21:18         ` Marek Olšák
2017-03-22 17:26   ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-22 17:50     ` [Mesa-dev] " Marek Olšák
2017-03-16 23:35 ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-17  0:21   ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-17  0:41     ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-17  2:03       ` Jason Ekstrand
2017-03-17  2:28         ` Brian Paul
2017-03-22 17:59           ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-22 20:57             ` [Mesa-dev] " Dylan Baker
2017-03-22 22:02               ` Rob Clark
2017-03-22 22:15                 ` Eric Anholt
2017-03-22 22:33                   ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-24 14:03               ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-24 14:22                 ` [Mesa-dev] " Daniel Stone
2017-03-24 15:47                   ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-25 20:15                     ` [Mesa-dev] " Rob Clark
2017-03-24 16:23                 ` Bas Nieuwenhuizen
2017-03-17  4:12         ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-17  6:02           ` Jonathan Gray
2017-03-20 13:55         ` [Mesa-dev] " Emil Velikov
2017-03-20 18:30           ` Matt Turner
2017-03-20 19:39             ` [Mesa-dev] " Emil Velikov
2017-03-20 21:28               ` Timothy Arceri
2017-03-20 21:38                 ` Jason Ekstrand
2017-03-21  5:00                 ` Jonathan Gray
2017-03-21 16:00                   ` Matt Turner
2017-03-23 12:23                   ` Jonathan Gray
2017-03-23 18:31                   ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-21 15:57               ` [Mesa-dev] " Matt Turner
2017-03-21 17:16                 ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-21 18:06                   ` Matt Turner
2017-03-21 18:56                     ` [Mesa-dev] " Emil Velikov
2017-03-21 19:08                       ` Jason Ekstrand
2017-03-21 19:10                       ` [Mesa-dev] " Matt Turner
2017-03-22 17:16                         ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-24 20:59                     ` Chad Versace [this message]
2017-03-24 20:44                 ` Chad Versace
2017-03-28 16:59                   ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-28 23:19                     ` Timothy Arceri
2017-03-21  5:10             ` Jonathan Gray
2017-03-21 16:11               ` [Mesa-dev] " Matt Turner
2017-03-24 16:58             ` randyf
2017-03-20 19:29           ` Rob Clark
2017-03-21 14:44 ` Jani Nikula
2017-03-21 15:13   ` Grazvydas Ignotas
2017-03-21 15:15     ` Ilia Mirkin
2017-03-21 16:16     ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-21 16:22   ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-22  4:23     ` [Mesa-dev] " Jonathan Gray
2017-03-22  8:24     ` Jani Nikula
2017-03-22 21:05       ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-23  8:13         ` Jani Nikula
2017-03-21 16:50 ` Kai Wasserbäch
2017-03-21 17:34   ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-21 18:36     ` [Mesa-dev] " Kai Wasserbäch
2017-03-21 21:16       ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-22 16:40 ` Alex Deucher
2017-03-22 17:07   ` Rob Clark
2017-03-22 20:10     ` [Mesa-dev] " Dylan Baker
2017-03-22 21:48       ` Rob Clark
2017-03-23 21:56         ` Greg Hackmann
2017-03-23 22:14           ` Colin Cross
2017-03-23 23:56             ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-24  0:03               ` [Mesa-dev] " Colin Cross
2017-03-24 16:54                 ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-23  1:18       ` [Mesa-dev] " Jonathan Gray
2017-03-23  1:38         ` Rob Clark
2017-03-24 13:42           ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-24 17:13             ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-24 17:51               ` Eric Anholt
2017-03-24 18:34                 ` [Mesa-dev] " Daniel Stone
2017-03-24 19:10             ` Kristian Høgsberg
2017-03-24 19:44               ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-24 20:08                 ` Kristian Høgsberg
2017-03-24 21:16                   ` Jose Fonseca
2017-03-24 21:20                     ` Jason Ekstrand
2017-03-24 21:34                     ` [Mesa-dev] " Rob Clark
2017-03-25  1:25                     ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-24 21:09               ` [Mesa-dev] " Rob Clark
2017-03-23 11:39       ` Emil Velikov
2017-03-23 17:54         ` Dylan Baker
2017-03-25  1:06         ` Kenneth Graunke
2017-03-22 22:30   ` [Mesa-dev] " Eric Anholt

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