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* for stable -- random: use chacha20 for get_random_int/long
@ 2017-04-07  3:27 Jason A. Donenfeld
  2017-04-10 15:04 ` Greg KH
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 2+ messages in thread
From: Jason A. Donenfeld @ 2017-04-07  3:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: stable, Theodore Ts'o, LKML

Given that the below commit isn't very big and adds a nice security
property (in addition to performance), it might be worthwhile to
backport this to 4.9 stable. It's not a candidate for 4.4, since that
kernel doesn't use chacha for the rng at all.

As this is in random.c, it's Ted's and Greg's judgement call.

commit f5b98461cb8167ba362ad9f74c41d126b7becea7
Author: Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Date:   Fri Jan 6 19:32:01 2017 +0100

   random: use chacha20 for get_random_int/long

   Now that our crng uses chacha20, we can rely on its speedy
   characteristics for replacing MD5, while simultaneously achieving a
   higher security guarantee. Before the idea was to use these functions if
   you wanted random integers that aren't stupidly insecure but aren't
   necessarily secure either, a vague gray zone, that hopefully was "good
   enough" for its users. With chacha20, we can strengthen this claim,
   since either we're using an rdrand-like instruction, or we're using the
   same crng as /dev/urandom. And it's faster than what was before.

   We could have chosen to replace this with a SipHash-derived function,
   which might be slightly faster, but at the cost of having yet another
   RNG construction in the kernel. By moving to chacha20, we have a single
   RNG to analyze and verify, and we also already get good performance
   improvements on all platforms.

   Implementation-wise, rather than use a generic buffer for both
   get_random_int/long and memcpy based on the size needs, we use a
   specific buffer for 32-bit reads and for 64-bit reads. This way, we're
   guaranteed to always have aligned accesses on all platforms. While
   slightly more verbose in C, the assembly this generates is a lot
   simpler than otherwise.

   Finally, on 32-bit platforms where longs and ints are the same size,
   we simply alias get_random_int to get_random_long.

   Signed-off-by: Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com>
   Suggested-by: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
   Cc: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
   Cc: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
   Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
   Signed-off-by: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>

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* Re: for stable -- random: use chacha20 for get_random_int/long
  2017-04-07  3:27 for stable -- random: use chacha20 for get_random_int/long Jason A. Donenfeld
@ 2017-04-10 15:04 ` Greg KH
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 2+ messages in thread
From: Greg KH @ 2017-04-10 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jason A. Donenfeld; +Cc: stable, Theodore Ts'o, LKML

On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 05:27:40AM +0200, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> Given that the below commit isn't very big and adds a nice security
> property (in addition to performance), it might be worthwhile to
> backport this to 4.9 stable. It's not a candidate for 4.4, since that
> kernel doesn't use chacha for the rng at all.
> 
> As this is in random.c, it's Ted's and Greg's judgement call.
> 
> commit f5b98461cb8167ba362ad9f74c41d126b7becea7
> Author: Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com>
> Date:   Fri Jan 6 19:32:01 2017 +0100
> 
>    random: use chacha20 for get_random_int/long
> 
>    Now that our crng uses chacha20, we can rely on its speedy
>    characteristics for replacing MD5, while simultaneously achieving a
>    higher security guarantee. Before the idea was to use these functions if
>    you wanted random integers that aren't stupidly insecure but aren't
>    necessarily secure either, a vague gray zone, that hopefully was "good
>    enough" for its users. With chacha20, we can strengthen this claim,
>    since either we're using an rdrand-like instruction, or we're using the
>    same crng as /dev/urandom. And it's faster than what was before.
> 
>    We could have chosen to replace this with a SipHash-derived function,
>    which might be slightly faster, but at the cost of having yet another
>    RNG construction in the kernel. By moving to chacha20, we have a single
>    RNG to analyze and verify, and we also already get good performance
>    improvements on all platforms.
> 
>    Implementation-wise, rather than use a generic buffer for both
>    get_random_int/long and memcpy based on the size needs, we use a
>    specific buffer for 32-bit reads and for 64-bit reads. This way, we're
>    guaranteed to always have aligned accesses on all platforms. While
>    slightly more verbose in C, the assembly this generates is a lot
>    simpler than otherwise.
> 
>    Finally, on 32-bit platforms where longs and ints are the same size,
>    we simply alias get_random_int to get_random_long.
> 
>    Signed-off-by: Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@zx2c4.com>
>    Suggested-by: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
>    Cc: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
>    Cc: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
>    Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
>    Signed-off-by: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>

Seems reasonable to me, now queued up, thanks!

greg k-h

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