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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Ebru Akagunduz <ebru.akagunduz@gmail.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm -v10 1/3] mm, THP, swap: Delay splitting THP during swap out
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 09:37:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170427133709.GA13841@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mvb21fz1.fsf@yhuang-dev.intel.com>

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 03:12:34PM +0800, Huang, Ying wrote:
> Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org> writes:
> > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 08:56:56PM +0800, Huang, Ying wrote:
> >> @@ -178,20 +192,12 @@ int add_to_swap(struct page *page, struct list_head *list)
> >>  	VM_BUG_ON_PAGE(!PageLocked(page), page);
> >>  	VM_BUG_ON_PAGE(!PageUptodate(page), page);
> >>  
> >> -	entry = get_swap_page();
> >> +retry:
> >> +	entry = get_swap_page(page);
> >>  	if (!entry.val)
> >> -		return 0;
> >> -
> >> -	if (mem_cgroup_try_charge_swap(page, entry)) {
> >> -		swapcache_free(entry);
> >> -		return 0;
> >> -	}
> >> -
> >> -	if (unlikely(PageTransHuge(page)))
> >> -		if (unlikely(split_huge_page_to_list(page, list))) {
> >> -			swapcache_free(entry);
> >> -			return 0;
> >> -		}
> >> +		goto fail;
> >
> > So, with non-SSD swap, THP page *always* get the fail to get swp_entry_t
> > and retry after split the page. However, it makes unncessary get_swap_pages
> > call which is not trivial. If there is no SSD swap, thp-swap out should
> > be void without adding any performance overhead.
> > Hmm, but I have no good idea to do it simple. :(
> 
> For HDD swap, the device raw throughput is so low (< 100M Bps
> typically), that the added overhead here will not be a big issue.  Do
> you agree?

I fully agree. If you swap to spinning rust, an extra function call
here is the least of your concern.

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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Ebru Akagunduz <ebru.akagunduz@gmail.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm -v10 1/3] mm, THP, swap: Delay splitting THP during swap out
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 09:37:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170427133709.GA13841@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mvb21fz1.fsf@yhuang-dev.intel.com>

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 03:12:34PM +0800, Huang, Ying wrote:
> Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org> writes:
> > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 08:56:56PM +0800, Huang, Ying wrote:
> >> @@ -178,20 +192,12 @@ int add_to_swap(struct page *page, struct list_head *list)
> >>  	VM_BUG_ON_PAGE(!PageLocked(page), page);
> >>  	VM_BUG_ON_PAGE(!PageUptodate(page), page);
> >>  
> >> -	entry = get_swap_page();
> >> +retry:
> >> +	entry = get_swap_page(page);
> >>  	if (!entry.val)
> >> -		return 0;
> >> -
> >> -	if (mem_cgroup_try_charge_swap(page, entry)) {
> >> -		swapcache_free(entry);
> >> -		return 0;
> >> -	}
> >> -
> >> -	if (unlikely(PageTransHuge(page)))
> >> -		if (unlikely(split_huge_page_to_list(page, list))) {
> >> -			swapcache_free(entry);
> >> -			return 0;
> >> -		}
> >> +		goto fail;
> >
> > So, with non-SSD swap, THP page *always* get the fail to get swp_entry_t
> > and retry after split the page. However, it makes unncessary get_swap_pages
> > call which is not trivial. If there is no SSD swap, thp-swap out should
> > be void without adding any performance overhead.
> > Hmm, but I have no good idea to do it simple. :(
> 
> For HDD swap, the device raw throughput is so low (< 100M Bps
> typically), that the added overhead here will not be a big issue.  Do
> you agree?

I fully agree. If you swap to spinning rust, an extra function call
here is the least of your concern.

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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
To: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Andrea Arcangeli
	<aarcange-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Ebru Akagunduz
	<ebru.akagunduz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Shaohua Li <shli-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm -v10 1/3] mm, THP, swap: Delay splitting THP during swap out
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 09:37:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170427133709.GA13841@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mvb21fz1.fsf-5/hDr2MS57EDqwDYnZuMFFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 03:12:34PM +0800, Huang, Ying wrote:
> Minchan Kim <minchan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> writes:
> > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 08:56:56PM +0800, Huang, Ying wrote:
> >> @@ -178,20 +192,12 @@ int add_to_swap(struct page *page, struct list_head *list)
> >>  	VM_BUG_ON_PAGE(!PageLocked(page), page);
> >>  	VM_BUG_ON_PAGE(!PageUptodate(page), page);
> >>  
> >> -	entry = get_swap_page();
> >> +retry:
> >> +	entry = get_swap_page(page);
> >>  	if (!entry.val)
> >> -		return 0;
> >> -
> >> -	if (mem_cgroup_try_charge_swap(page, entry)) {
> >> -		swapcache_free(entry);
> >> -		return 0;
> >> -	}
> >> -
> >> -	if (unlikely(PageTransHuge(page)))
> >> -		if (unlikely(split_huge_page_to_list(page, list))) {
> >> -			swapcache_free(entry);
> >> -			return 0;
> >> -		}
> >> +		goto fail;
> >
> > So, with non-SSD swap, THP page *always* get the fail to get swp_entry_t
> > and retry after split the page. However, it makes unncessary get_swap_pages
> > call which is not trivial. If there is no SSD swap, thp-swap out should
> > be void without adding any performance overhead.
> > Hmm, but I have no good idea to do it simple. :(
> 
> For HDD swap, the device raw throughput is so low (< 100M Bps
> typically), that the added overhead here will not be a big issue.  Do
> you agree?

I fully agree. If you swap to spinning rust, an extra function call
here is the least of your concern.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-27 13:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-25 12:56 [PATCH -mm -v10 0/3] THP swap: Delay splitting THP during swapping out Huang, Ying
2017-04-25 12:56 ` Huang, Ying
2017-04-25 12:56 ` [PATCH -mm -v10 1/3] mm, THP, swap: Delay splitting THP during swap out Huang, Ying
2017-04-25 12:56   ` Huang, Ying
2017-04-27  5:31   ` Minchan Kim
2017-04-27  5:31     ` Minchan Kim
2017-04-27  5:31     ` Minchan Kim
2017-04-27  7:12     ` Huang, Ying
2017-04-27  7:12       ` Huang, Ying
2017-04-27  7:12       ` Huang, Ying
2017-04-27 13:37       ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2017-04-27 13:37         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-04-27 13:37         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-04-28  8:40       ` Minchan Kim
2017-04-28  8:40         ` Minchan Kim
2017-04-28 12:21         ` Huang, Ying
2017-04-28 12:21           ` Huang, Ying
2017-05-10  1:03           ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-10  1:03             ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-10  1:03             ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-01 10:44         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-01 10:44           ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-01 10:44           ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-01 23:53           ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-01 23:53             ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-01 23:53             ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-10 13:56             ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-10 13:56               ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-10 23:25               ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-10 23:25                 ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-10 23:25                 ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-11  0:50                 ` Huang, Ying
2017-05-11  0:50                   ` Huang, Ying
2017-05-11  0:50                   ` Huang, Ying
2017-05-11  4:31                   ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-11  4:31                     ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-11  4:31                     ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-12  2:21                   ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: swap: unify swap slot free functions to put_swap_page Minchan Kim
2017-05-12  2:21                     ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-12  2:21                     ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: swap: move anonymous THP split logic to vmscan Minchan Kim
2017-05-12  2:21                       ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-12 16:48                       ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-12 16:48                         ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-12 16:47                     ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: swap: unify swap slot free functions to put_swap_page Johannes Weiner
2017-05-12 16:47                       ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-11  1:22                 ` [PATCH -mm -v10 1/3] mm, THP, swap: Delay splitting THP during swap out Minchan Kim
2017-05-11  1:22                   ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-11 10:40                   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-11 10:40                     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-05-12  1:34                     ` Minchan Kim
2017-05-12  1:34                       ` Minchan Kim
2017-04-25 12:56 ` [PATCH -mm -v10 2/3] mm, THP, swap: Check whether THP can be split firstly Huang, Ying
2017-04-25 12:56   ` Huang, Ying
2017-04-25 21:43   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-04-25 21:43     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-04-25 12:56 ` [PATCH -mm -v10 3/3] mm, THP, swap: Enable THP swap optimization only if has compound map Huang, Ying
2017-04-25 12:56   ` Huang, Ying
2017-04-25 21:46   ` Johannes Weiner
2017-04-25 21:46     ` Johannes Weiner
2017-04-28 13:16     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-04-28 13:16       ` Kirill A. Shutemov

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