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From: Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [-next] memory hotplug regression
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 12:11:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170529101128.GA12975@osiris> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170529085231.GE19725@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 10:52:31AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > Why is it a problem to change the default for 'online'? As far as I can see
> > that doesn't have too much to do with the order of zones, no?
> 
> `online' (aka MMOP_ONLINE_KEEP) should always inherit its current zone.
> The previous implementation made an exception to allow to shift to
> another zone if it is on the border of two zones. This is what I wanted
> to get rid of because it is just too ugly to live.
> 
> But now I am not really sure what is the usecase here. I assume you know
> how to online the memoery. That's why you had to play tricks with the
> zones previously. All you need now is to use the proper MMOP_ONLINE*

Yes, however that implies that existing user space has to be changed to
achieve the same semantics as before. That's the usecase I'm talking about.

On the other hand this change would finally make s390 behave like all other
architectures, which is certainly not a bad thing. So, while thinking again
I think you convinced me to agree with this change.

> > 2) Another oddity is that after a memory block was brought online it's
> > association to ZONE_NORMAL or ZONE_MOVABLE seems to be fixed. Even if it
> > is brought offline afterwards:
> 
> This is intended behavior because I got rid of the tricky&ugly zone
> shifting code. Ultimately I would like to allow for overlapping zones
> so the explicit online_{movable,kernel} will _always_ work.

Ok, I see. This change (fixed memory block to zone mapping after first
online) is a bit surprising. On the other hand I can't think of a sane
usecase why one wants to change the zone a memory block belongs to.

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From: Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [-next] memory hotplug regression
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 12:11:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170529101128.GA12975@osiris> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170529085231.GE19725@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 10:52:31AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > Why is it a problem to change the default for 'online'? As far as I can see
> > that doesn't have too much to do with the order of zones, no?
> 
> `online' (aka MMOP_ONLINE_KEEP) should always inherit its current zone.
> The previous implementation made an exception to allow to shift to
> another zone if it is on the border of two zones. This is what I wanted
> to get rid of because it is just too ugly to live.
> 
> But now I am not really sure what is the usecase here. I assume you know
> how to online the memoery. That's why you had to play tricks with the
> zones previously. All you need now is to use the proper MMOP_ONLINE*

Yes, however that implies that existing user space has to be changed to
achieve the same semantics as before. That's the usecase I'm talking about.

On the other hand this change would finally make s390 behave like all other
architectures, which is certainly not a bad thing. So, while thinking again
I think you convinced me to agree with this change.

> > 2) Another oddity is that after a memory block was brought online it's
> > association to ZONE_NORMAL or ZONE_MOVABLE seems to be fixed. Even if it
> > is brought offline afterwards:
> 
> This is intended behavior because I got rid of the tricky&ugly zone
> shifting code. Ultimately I would like to allow for overlapping zones
> so the explicit online_{movable,kernel} will _always_ work.

Ok, I see. This change (fixed memory block to zone mapping after first
online) is a bit surprising. On the other hand I can't think of a sane
usecase why one wants to change the zone a memory block belongs to.

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-29 10:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-24  8:20 [-next] memory hotplug regression Heiko Carstens
2017-05-24  8:20 ` Heiko Carstens
2017-05-24  8:39 ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-24  8:39   ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-26 12:25   ` Heiko Carstens
2017-05-26 12:25     ` Heiko Carstens
2017-05-29  8:52     ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-29  8:52       ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-29 10:11       ` Heiko Carstens [this message]
2017-05-29 10:11         ` Heiko Carstens
2017-05-29 10:45         ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-29 10:45           ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-30 12:18     ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-30 12:18       ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-30 12:37       ` Heiko Carstens
2017-05-30 12:37         ` Heiko Carstens
2017-05-30 14:32         ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-30 14:32           ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-30 14:55           ` Heiko Carstens
2017-05-30 14:55             ` Heiko Carstens
2017-05-30 15:04             ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-30 15:04               ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-31  6:24             ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-31  6:24               ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-31  6:25               ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memory_hotplug: fix MMOP_ONLINE_KEEP behavior Michal Hocko
2017-05-31  6:25                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-31  6:26               ` [PATCH 2/2] mm, memory_hotplug: do not assume ZONE_NORMAL is default kernel zone Michal Hocko
2017-05-31  6:26                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-01  6:49               ` [-next] memory hotplug regression Heiko Carstens
2017-06-01  6:49                 ` Heiko Carstens
2017-06-01  7:13                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-01  7:13                   ` Michal Hocko

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