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* PowerPC405 DHT-Walnut, PCI_IO problems
@ 2017-05-30  8:52 Carlo Pisani
  2017-05-30 17:41 ` Bjorn Helgaas
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Carlo Pisani @ 2017-05-30  8:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-pci

hi
it's my first post here, so I want to say hello to everyone.
I am a student of Politecnico of Milano (italy), who needs to use a
PowerPC405GP based board, loaded with uboot v1.2. This board derives
from the Development Board made by IBM under the name "Walnut".

Here (1) you can see a picture of the board

The difference between "Walnut" and "DHT-Walnut" are
Walnut has a soldered PS/2 keyboard controller, DHT-Walnut doesn't have
Walnut has a soldered fpga, DHT-Walnut doesn't have
Walnut has a soldered RTC-chip, DHT-Walnut doesn't have
Walnut has no soldered pATA chip, Walnut comes with PDC20265

So, as these two boards are similar, I am using the profile "Walnut".

I started with linux 2.6.22, which was the last kernel known of having
been tested, and everything (including PDC20265) works as expected!

Unfortunately this kernel is "too old" for modern stage3-glibc rootfs (gentoo)
So I moved into more modern kernels, and I switched into 2.6.39, and
4.11 where I found problems with PCI_IO

Moving from 2.6.22 required a special support: arch/powerpc/boot/cuboot-walnut.c

which provides

void my_platform_init(void);
void walnut_init(void *mac0);
void platform_init(unsigned long r3, unsigned long r4, unsigned long
r5, unsigned long r6, unsigned long r7);


This way the kenrel can boot from uboot v1.2, but there are problems
with the soldered PDC20265 128 Pin, PQFP ASIC chip by Promise
Technologies. This chip is a PCI bus (32-bit PCI interface compliant
to PCI Rev 2.2) mastering ATA/ATAPI controller which supports complete
UDMA/100 specifications. Its datasheet says it communicates with the
PCI bus using a burst bus mastering and advanced scatter/gather engine
for better overall system performance.

On Kernel 2.6.22 I can grab the following

----------------- dmesg: ----------------------------------------------------
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 0000:00:04.0

Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
PDC20265: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:04.0
PDC20265: chipset revision 2
PDC20265: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
PDC20265: (U)DMA Burst Bit DISABLED Primary PCI Mode Secondary PCI Mode.
    ide0: BM-DMA at 0x1000-0x1007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
    ide1: BM-DMA at 0x1008-0x100f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio

----------------- lspci: ----------------------------------------------------
00:04.0 Class 0101: Device 105a:0d30 (rev 02) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
        Subsystem: Device 105a:4d33
        Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 128, IRQ 31
        I/O ports at 121f0 [size=8]
        I/O ports at 123f4 [size=1]
        I/O ports at 12170 [size=8]
        I/O ports at 12374 [size=1]
        I/O ports at 13000 [size=64]
        Memory at 81000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K]
        Expansion ROM at <ignored> [disabled]
        Capabilities: [58] Power Management version 1
        Kernel driver in use: Promise_Old_IDE

See what is reported by kernel 4.11

----------------- dmesg: ----------------------------------------------------
PCI host bridge /plb/pci@ec000000 (primary) ranges:
 MEM 0x0000000080000000..0x000000009fffffff -> 0x0000000080000000
  IO 0x00000000b0000000..0xffc10000b000ffff -> 0x0000000000000000
4xx PCI DMA offset set to 0x00000000
4xx PCI DMA window base to 0x0000000000000000
DMA window size 0x0000000080000000
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
PCI host bridge to bus 0008:00
pci_bus 0008:00: root bus resource [io  0x0000-0xffffff]
pci_bus 0008:00: root bus resource [mem 0x80000000-0x9fffffff]
pci_bus 0008:00: root bus resource [bus 00-ff]
PCI: Hiding 4xx host bridge resources 0008:00:00.0
pci 0008:00:04.0: [Firmware Bug]: reg 0x10: invalid BAR (can't size)
pci 0008:00:04.0: [Firmware Bug]: reg 0x14: invalid BAR (can't size)
pci 0008:00:04.0: [Firmware Bug]: reg 0x18: invalid BAR (can't size)
pci 0008:00:04.0: [Firmware Bug]: reg 0x1c: invalid BAR (can't size)
pci 0008:00:04.0: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x10: [io  0x01f0-0x01f7]
pci 0008:00:04.0: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x14: [io  0x03f6]
pci 0008:00:04.0: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x18: [io  0x0170-0x0177]
pci 0008:00:04.0: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x1c: [io  0x0376]
pci 0008:00:00.0: of_irq_parse_pci: failed with rc=-22
pci 0008:00:03.0: BAR 1: assigned [mem 0x80000000-0x807fffff pref]
pci 0008:00:04.0: BAR 5: assigned [mem 0x80800000-0x8081ffff]
pci 0008:00:03.0: BAR 6: assigned [mem 0x80820000-0x8082ffff pref]
pci 0008:00:03.0: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0x80830000-0x80833fff]
pci 0008:00:04.0: BAR 6: assigned [mem 0x80834000-0x80837fff pref]
pci 0008:00:02.0: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0x80838000-0x80838fff]
pci 0008:00:02.1: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0x80839000-0x808390ff]
pci 0008:00:04.0: BAR 4: assigned [io  0x1000-0x103f]
pci 0008:00:03.0: vgaarb: setting as boot VGA device
pci 0008:00:03.0: vgaarb: VGA device added:
decodes=io+mem,owns=io+mem,locks=none
pci 0008:00:03.0: vgaarb: bridge control possible

pata_pdc202xx_old 0008:00:04.0: can't enable device: BAR 0 [io  size
0x0008] not assigned
pata_pdc202xx_old: probe of 0008:00:04.0 failed with error -22

--------------- devicetree lines about PCI
------------------------------------------------
ranges = <
0x02000000 0x00000000 0x80000000
0x80000000 0x00000000 0x20000000

0x01000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
0x00001000 0x00000000 0x00001000>;


It seems to me a problem related to "legacy PCI_IO", but I am not sure
about the meaning of "quirks"

I am lost, I am neither an expert of PCI, nor of linux, I don't know
if the problem is related to

a) the boot-wrapper I need to support in order to make dht-walnut to
bootstrap (cuImage, uImage legacy) -> arch/powerpc/boot/cuboot-$board
b) the DeviceTree setup (arch/powerpc/boot/dts/walnut.dts)
c) something wrong with new kernels


I can say that everything PCI_MEM_ONLY (e.g. MGA Matrox1 ) I tried worked

any tips/tricks/advice/opinion?

thanks
Carlo


(1) a picture of the board
http://elinux.org/images/5/5a/Com1191.jpg

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* Re: PowerPC405 DHT-Walnut, PCI_IO problems
  2017-05-30  8:52 PowerPC405 DHT-Walnut, PCI_IO problems Carlo Pisani
@ 2017-05-30 17:41 ` Bjorn Helgaas
  2017-05-30 18:29   ` Carlo Pisani
  2017-05-30 21:29   ` Bjorn Helgaas
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Bjorn Helgaas @ 2017-05-30 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Carlo Pisani; +Cc: linux-pci

Hi Carlo,

Welcome!

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:52:21AM +0200, Carlo Pisani wrote:
> hi
> it's my first post here, so I want to say hello to everyone.
> I am a student of Politecnico of Milano (italy), who needs to use a
> PowerPC405GP based board, loaded with uboot v1.2. This board derives
> from the Development Board made by IBM under the name "Walnut".
> 
> Here (1) you can see a picture of the board
> 
> The difference between "Walnut" and "DHT-Walnut" are
> Walnut has a soldered PS/2 keyboard controller, DHT-Walnut doesn't have
> Walnut has a soldered fpga, DHT-Walnut doesn't have
> Walnut has a soldered RTC-chip, DHT-Walnut doesn't have
> Walnut has no soldered pATA chip, Walnut comes with PDC20265
> 
> So, as these two boards are similar, I am using the profile "Walnut".
> 
> I started with linux 2.6.22, which was the last kernel known of having
> been tested, and everything (including PDC20265) works as expected!
> 
> Unfortunately this kernel is "too old" for modern stage3-glibc rootfs (gentoo)
> So I moved into more modern kernels, and I switched into 2.6.39, and
> 4.11 where I found problems with PCI_IO
> 
> Moving from 2.6.22 required a special support: arch/powerpc/boot/cuboot-walnut.c
> 
> which provides
> 
> void my_platform_init(void);
> void walnut_init(void *mac0);
> void platform_init(unsigned long r3, unsigned long r4, unsigned long
> r5, unsigned long r6, unsigned long r7);
> 
> 
> This way the kenrel can boot from uboot v1.2, but there are problems
> with the soldered PDC20265 128 Pin, PQFP ASIC chip by Promise
> Technologies. This chip is a PCI bus (32-bit PCI interface compliant
> to PCI Rev 2.2) mastering ATA/ATAPI controller which supports complete
> UDMA/100 specifications. Its datasheet says it communicates with the
> PCI bus using a burst bus mastering and advanced scatter/gather engine
> for better overall system performance.
> 
> On Kernel 2.6.22 I can grab the following
> 
> ----------------- dmesg: ----------------------------------------------------
> PCI: Probing PCI hardware
> PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 4 of device 0000:00:04.0
> 
> Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
> ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
> PDC20265: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:04.0
> PDC20265: chipset revision 2
> PDC20265: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
> PDC20265: (U)DMA Burst Bit DISABLED Primary PCI Mode Secondary PCI Mode.
>     ide0: BM-DMA at 0x1000-0x1007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
>     ide1: BM-DMA at 0x1008-0x100f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio
> 
> ----------------- lspci: ----------------------------------------------------
> 00:04.0 Class 0101: Device 105a:0d30 (rev 02) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
>         Subsystem: Device 105a:4d33
>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 128, IRQ 31
>         I/O ports at 121f0 [size=8]
>         I/O ports at 123f4 [size=1]
>         I/O ports at 12170 [size=8]
>         I/O ports at 12374 [size=1]
>         I/O ports at 13000 [size=64]
>         Memory at 81000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K]
>         Expansion ROM at <ignored> [disabled]
>         Capabilities: [58] Power Management version 1
>         Kernel driver in use: Promise_Old_IDE
> 
> See what is reported by kernel 4.11
> 
> ----------------- dmesg: ----------------------------------------------------
> PCI host bridge /plb/pci@ec000000 (primary) ranges:
>  MEM 0x0000000080000000..0x000000009fffffff -> 0x0000000080000000
>   IO 0x00000000b0000000..0xffc10000b000ffff -> 0x0000000000000000
> 4xx PCI DMA offset set to 0x00000000
> 4xx PCI DMA window base to 0x0000000000000000
> DMA window size 0x0000000080000000
> PCI: Probing PCI hardware
> PCI host bridge to bus 0008:00
> pci_bus 0008:00: root bus resource [io  0x0000-0xffffff]
> pci_bus 0008:00: root bus resource [mem 0x80000000-0x9fffffff]
> pci_bus 0008:00: root bus resource [bus 00-ff]
> PCI: Hiding 4xx host bridge resources 0008:00:00.0
> pci 0008:00:04.0: [Firmware Bug]: reg 0x10: invalid BAR (can't size)
> pci 0008:00:04.0: [Firmware Bug]: reg 0x14: invalid BAR (can't size)
> pci 0008:00:04.0: [Firmware Bug]: reg 0x18: invalid BAR (can't size)
> pci 0008:00:04.0: [Firmware Bug]: reg 0x1c: invalid BAR (can't size)
> pci 0008:00:04.0: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x10: [io  0x01f0-0x01f7]
> pci 0008:00:04.0: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x14: [io  0x03f6]
> pci 0008:00:04.0: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x18: [io  0x0170-0x0177]
> pci 0008:00:04.0: legacy IDE quirk: reg 0x1c: [io  0x0376]
> pci 0008:00:00.0: of_irq_parse_pci: failed with rc=-22
> pci 0008:00:03.0: BAR 1: assigned [mem 0x80000000-0x807fffff pref]
> pci 0008:00:04.0: BAR 5: assigned [mem 0x80800000-0x8081ffff]
> pci 0008:00:03.0: BAR 6: assigned [mem 0x80820000-0x8082ffff pref]
> pci 0008:00:03.0: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0x80830000-0x80833fff]
> pci 0008:00:04.0: BAR 6: assigned [mem 0x80834000-0x80837fff pref]
> pci 0008:00:02.0: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0x80838000-0x80838fff]
> pci 0008:00:02.1: BAR 0: assigned [mem 0x80839000-0x808390ff]
> pci 0008:00:04.0: BAR 4: assigned [io  0x1000-0x103f]
> pci 0008:00:03.0: vgaarb: setting as boot VGA device
> pci 0008:00:03.0: vgaarb: VGA device added:
> decodes=io+mem,owns=io+mem,locks=none
> pci 0008:00:03.0: vgaarb: bridge control possible
> 
> pata_pdc202xx_old 0008:00:04.0: can't enable device: BAR 0 [io  size
> 0x0008] not assigned
> pata_pdc202xx_old: probe of 0008:00:04.0 failed with error -22
> 
> --------------- devicetree lines about PCI
> ------------------------------------------------
> ranges = <
> 0x02000000 0x00000000 0x80000000
> 0x80000000 0x00000000 0x20000000
> 
> 0x01000000 0x00000000 0x00000000
> 0x00001000 0x00000000 0x00001000>;
> 
> 
> It seems to me a problem related to "legacy PCI_IO", but I am not sure
> about the meaning of "quirks"

Sounds like a good guess.  PCI quirks are a mechanism for working
around hardware defects or cases that don't quite conform to the PCI
spec.

Normally PCI devices have programmable address decoders ("BARs") where
we can configure the address space they should consume.  Some legacy
devices, including IDE, are allowed to consume fixed address space
that can't be detected or configured via BARs.  The only reference I
can find to this is in sec 2.1 of the "PCI IDE Controller
Specification", rev 1.0 from 3/4/1994.  

The "invalid BAR" and "legacy IDE quirk" messages are all related to
this legacy device issue.  On 2.6.22, it looks like BAR 0 was at
0x121f0, while on v4.11 it's at 0x1f0.  The 0x1f0 address is the bus
address from the spec.  On 2.6.22 it looks like the CPU port number is
offset from the bus address by 0x12000, so maybe that I/O offset got
lost somewhere on the way to v4.11.

Could you open a report at http://bugzilla.kernel.org, component
drivers/PCI, and attach the following to it?

  - complete dmesg log from 2.6.22 and 4.11
  - complete "lspci -vvxxx" output from 4.11
  - /proc/ioports contents from 4.11

Are you using the same DTS for both 2.6.22 and 4.11?  If not, please
attach the 2.6.22 DTS to the bugzilla.

> I am lost, I am neither an expert of PCI, nor of linux, I don't know
> if the problem is related to
> 
> a) the boot-wrapper I need to support in order to make dht-walnut to
> bootstrap (cuImage, uImage legacy) -> arch/powerpc/boot/cuboot-$board
> b) the DeviceTree setup (arch/powerpc/boot/dts/walnut.dts)
> c) something wrong with new kernels
> 
> 
> I can say that everything PCI_MEM_ONLY (e.g. MGA Matrox1 ) I tried worked
> 
> any tips/tricks/advice/opinion?
> 
> thanks
> Carlo
> 
> 
> (1) a picture of the board
> http://elinux.org/images/5/5a/Com1191.jpg

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread

* Re: PowerPC405 DHT-Walnut, PCI_IO problems
  2017-05-30 17:41 ` Bjorn Helgaas
@ 2017-05-30 18:29   ` Carlo Pisani
  2017-05-30 21:29   ` Bjorn Helgaas
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Carlo Pisani @ 2017-05-30 18:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-pci

hi
thanks for the answer

> Are you using the same DTS for both 2.6.22 and 4.11?

kernel 2.6.22 doesn't require DTS, it's built with the old uImage
script, whereas Kernels. >= 2.6.26 require a bootwrapper if you want
to boot them with an old uBoot (aka cuImage/cuBoot) which doesn't
support DTS

kernel 2.6.22: mymake-ppc uImage
kernel 4.11.0: mymake-powerpc cuImage.walnut

---------------------------------------------------------------
cat /usr/bin/mymake-ppc
myarch="ppc"
myccandclib="powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-"
make ARCH=$myarch CROSS_COMPILE=$myccandclib $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 $7
---------------------------------------------------------------
myarch="powerpc"
myccandclib="powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-"
make ARCH=$myarch CROSS_COMPILE=$myccandclib $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 $7
---------------------------------------------------------------

I didn't add a pci_fixup procedure (it's empty) in
arch/powerpc/boot/cuboot-walnut.c: this module only cares about
setting the MAC of the built-in lan0, and the CPU clock.


/*
 * Old U-boot compatibility for walnut
 * arch/powerpc/boot/cuboot-walnut.c
 */

#define TARGET_4xx

/* -------------------------------------------- */
#include "ops.h"
#include "stdio.h"
/* -------------------------------------------- */
#include "4xx.h"
/* -------------------------------------------- */
#include "cuboot.h"  /* defines cuboot_init */
#include "ppcboot.h" /* defines bd_t */
/* -------------------------------------------- */
#include "dcr.h"
#include "io.h"
/* -------------------------------------------- */

static bd_t bd;
static u8 *walnut_mac0;
struct cs_range
{
    u32 csnum;
    u32 base;     /* must be zero */
    u32 addr;
    u32 size;
};

struct pci_range
{
    u32 flags;
    u32 pci_addr[2];
    u32 phys_addr;
    u32 size[2];
};

struct cs_range  cs_ranges_buf[MAX_PROP_LEN / sizeof(struct cs_range)];
struct pci_range pci_ranges_buf[MAX_PROP_LEN / sizeof(struct pci_range)];

/*
 * Different versions of u-boot
 * might initialize the PCI in a different way
 */
static void update_cs_ranges(void)
{
   /* ? */
}

/*
 * Older u-boots don't set PCI up properly.
 */
static void fixup_pci(void)
{
    /* ? */
    printf("walnut_bootwrapper.fixup_pci: using existing firmware setup\r\n");
}

/* --------------------------------------------------------------- */

static void walnut_flashsel_fixup(void)
{
        void *devp, *sram;
        u32 reg_flash[3] = {0x0, 0x0, 0x80000};
        u32 reg_sram[3] = {0x0, 0x0, 0x80000};
        u8 *fpga;
        u8 fpga_brds1 = 0x0;

        //devp = finddevice("/plb/ebc/fpga");
        //if (!devp)
        //{
        //        fatal("Couldn't locate FPGA node\n\r");
        //}

        if (getprop(devp, "virtual-reg", &fpga, sizeof(fpga)) != sizeof(fpga))
        {
                fatal("no virtual-reg property\n\r");
        }

        fpga_brds1 = in_8(fpga);

        devp = finddevice("/plb/ebc/flash");
        if (!devp)
        {
                fatal("Couldn't locate flash node\n\r");
        }

        if (getprop(devp, "reg", reg_flash, sizeof(reg_flash)) !=
sizeof(reg_flash))
        {
                fatal("flash reg property has unexpected size\n\r");
        }

        sram = finddevice("/plb/ebc/sram");
        if (!sram)
        {
                fatal("Couldn't locate sram node\n\r");
        }

        if (getprop(sram, "reg", reg_sram, sizeof(reg_sram)) !=
sizeof(reg_sram))
        {
                fatal("sram reg property has unexpected size\n\r");
        }

        if (fpga_brds1 & 0x1)
        {
                reg_flash[1] ^= 0x80000;
                reg_sram[1] ^= 0x80000;
        }

        setprop(devp, "reg", reg_flash, sizeof(reg_flash));
        setprop(sram, "reg", reg_sram, sizeof(reg_sram));
}

static void ibm4xx_fixup_pci()
{
        update_cs_ranges();
        fixup_pci();
}

static void walnut_fixups(void)
{
        ibm4xx_sdram_fixup_memsize();
        ibm405gp_fixup_clocks(33330000, 0xa8c000);
        ibm4xx_quiesce_eth((u32 *)0xef600800, NULL);
        ibm4xx_fixup_ebc_ranges("/plb/ebc");
        walnut_flashsel_fixup();
        dt_fixup_mac_address_by_alias("ethernet0", walnut_mac0);
        ibm4xx_fixup_pci();
}

void my_platform_init(void)
{
        unsigned long end_of_ram = 0x2000000;
        unsigned long avail_ram = end_of_ram - (unsigned long) _end;

        simple_alloc_init(_end, avail_ram, 32, 32);
        platform_ops.fixups = walnut_fixups;
        platform_ops.exit   = ibm40x_dbcr_reset;
        fdt_init(_dtb_start);
        serial_console_init();
}

void walnut_init(void *mac0)
{
        platform_ops.fixups = walnut_fixups;
        platform_ops.exit   = ibm40x_dbcr_reset;
        walnut_mac0         = mac0;
        fdt_init(_dtb_start);
        serial_console_init();
}

/* --------------------------------------------------------*/

void platform_init
(
  unsigned long r3,
  unsigned long r4,
  unsigned long r5,
  unsigned long r6,
  unsigned long r7
)
{
        /*
         * CUBOOT_INIT();
         * defined in arch/powerpc/boot/cuboot.h
         */
        memcpy(&bd, (bd_t *)r3, sizeof(bd));
        cuboot_init(r4, r5, r6, r7, bd.bi_memstart + bd.bi_memsize);

        /*
         * walnut init
         */
        walnut_init(&bd.bi_enetaddr);
}

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* Re: PowerPC405 DHT-Walnut, PCI_IO problems
  2017-05-30 17:41 ` Bjorn Helgaas
  2017-05-30 18:29   ` Carlo Pisani
@ 2017-05-30 21:29   ` Bjorn Helgaas
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Bjorn Helgaas @ 2017-05-30 21:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Carlo Pisani; +Cc: linux-pci

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:41:43PM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> ...
> Could you open a report at http://bugzilla.kernel.org, component
> drivers/PCI, and attach the following to it?
> 
>   - complete dmesg log from 2.6.22 and 4.11
>   - complete "lspci -vvxxx" output from 4.11
>   - /proc/ioports contents from 4.11

Bug report at https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195933

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