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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] mm, oom: prevent additional oom kills before memory is freed
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 00:12:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170615221236.GB22341@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1706151459530.64172@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Thu 15-06-17 15:03:17, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017, Michal Hocko wrote:
> 
> > > Yes, quite a bit in testing.
> > > 
> > > One oom kill shows the system to be oom:
> > > 
> > > [22999.488705] Node 0 Normal free:90484kB min:90500kB ...
> > > [22999.488711] Node 1 Normal free:91536kB min:91948kB ...
> > > 
> > > followed up by one or more unnecessary oom kills showing the oom killer 
> > > racing with memory freeing of the victim:
> > > 
> > > [22999.510329] Node 0 Normal free:229588kB min:90500kB ...
> > > [22999.510334] Node 1 Normal free:600036kB min:91948kB ...
> > > 
> > > The patch is absolutely required for us to prevent continuous oom killing 
> > > of processes after a single process has been oom killed and its memory is 
> > > in the process of being freed.
> > 
> > OK, could you play with the patch/idea suggested in
> > http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170615122031.GL1486@dhcp22.suse.cz?
> > 
> 
> I cannot, I am trying to unblock a stable kernel release to my production 
> that is obviously fixed with this patch and cannot experiment with 
> uncompiled and untested patches that introduce otherwise unnecessary 
> locking into the __mmput() path and is based on speculation rather than 
> hard data that __mmput() for some reason stalls for the oom victim's mm.  
> I was hoping that this fix could make it in time for 4.12 since 4.12 kills 
> 1-4 processes unnecessarily for each oom condition and then can review any 
> tested solution you may propose at a later time.

I am sorry but I have really hard to make the oom reaper a reliable way
to stop all the potential oom lockups go away. I do not want to
reintroduce another potential lockup now. I also do not see why any
solution should be rushed into. I have proposed a way to go and unless
it is clear that this is not a way forward then I simply do not agree
with any partial workarounds or shortcuts.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] mm, oom: prevent additional oom kills before memory is freed
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 00:12:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170615221236.GB22341@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1706151459530.64172@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Thu 15-06-17 15:03:17, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017, Michal Hocko wrote:
> 
> > > Yes, quite a bit in testing.
> > > 
> > > One oom kill shows the system to be oom:
> > > 
> > > [22999.488705] Node 0 Normal free:90484kB min:90500kB ...
> > > [22999.488711] Node 1 Normal free:91536kB min:91948kB ...
> > > 
> > > followed up by one or more unnecessary oom kills showing the oom killer 
> > > racing with memory freeing of the victim:
> > > 
> > > [22999.510329] Node 0 Normal free:229588kB min:90500kB ...
> > > [22999.510334] Node 1 Normal free:600036kB min:91948kB ...
> > > 
> > > The patch is absolutely required for us to prevent continuous oom killing 
> > > of processes after a single process has been oom killed and its memory is 
> > > in the process of being freed.
> > 
> > OK, could you play with the patch/idea suggested in
> > http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170615122031.GL1486@dhcp22.suse.cz?
> > 
> 
> I cannot, I am trying to unblock a stable kernel release to my production 
> that is obviously fixed with this patch and cannot experiment with 
> uncompiled and untested patches that introduce otherwise unnecessary 
> locking into the __mmput() path and is based on speculation rather than 
> hard data that __mmput() for some reason stalls for the oom victim's mm.  
> I was hoping that this fix could make it in time for 4.12 since 4.12 kills 
> 1-4 processes unnecessarily for each oom condition and then can review any 
> tested solution you may propose at a later time.

I am sorry but I have really hard to make the oom reaper a reliable way
to stop all the potential oom lockups go away. I do not want to
reintroduce another potential lockup now. I also do not see why any
solution should be rushed into. I have proposed a way to go and unless
it is clear that this is not a way forward then I simply do not agree
with any partial workarounds or shortcuts.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-15 22:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-14 23:43 [patch] mm, oom: prevent additional oom kills before memory is freed David Rientjes
2017-06-14 23:43 ` David Rientjes
2017-06-15 10:39 ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 10:39   ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 10:53   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-15 10:53     ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-15 11:01     ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 11:01       ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 11:32       ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-15 11:32         ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-15 12:03         ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 12:03           ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 12:13           ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 12:13             ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 13:01             ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-15 13:01               ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-15 13:22               ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 13:22                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 21:43                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-15 21:43                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-15 21:37               ` David Rientjes
2017-06-15 21:37                 ` David Rientjes
2017-06-15 12:20       ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 12:20         ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 21:26   ` David Rientjes
2017-06-15 21:26     ` David Rientjes
2017-06-15 21:41     ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 21:41       ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 22:03       ` David Rientjes
2017-06-15 22:03         ` David Rientjes
2017-06-15 22:12         ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2017-06-15 22:12           ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-15 22:42           ` David Rientjes
2017-06-15 22:42             ` David Rientjes
2017-06-16  8:06             ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-16  8:06               ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-16  0:54           ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-16  0:54             ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-16  4:00             ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-16  4:00               ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-16  8:39             ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-16  8:39               ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-16 10:27               ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-16 10:27                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-16 11:02                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-16 11:02                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-16 14:26                   ` Re: [patch] mm, oom: prevent additional oom kills before memoryis freed Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-16 14:26                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-16 14:42                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-16 14:42                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-17 13:30                       ` Re: [patch] mm, oom: prevent additional oom kills before memory is freed Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-17 13:30                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-23 12:38                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-23 12:38                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-16 12:22       ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-16 12:22         ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-16 14:12         ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-16 14:12           ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-17  5:17           ` [PATCH] mm,oom_kill: Close race window of needlessly selecting new victims Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-17  5:17             ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-20 22:12             ` David Rientjes
2017-06-20 22:12               ` David Rientjes
2017-06-21  2:17               ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-21 20:31                 ` David Rientjes
2017-06-21 20:31                   ` David Rientjes
2017-06-22  0:53                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-06-23 12:45                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-23 12:45                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-21 13:18               ` Michal Hocko
2017-06-21 13:18                 ` Michal Hocko

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