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From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Argangeli <andrea@kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm, oom: allow oom reaper to race with exit_mmap
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:05:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170810180554.GT25347@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170810081632.31265-1-mhocko@kernel.org>

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 10:16:32AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> Andrea has proposed and alternative solution [4] which should be
> equivalent functionally similar to {ksm,khugepaged}_exit. I have to
> confess I really don't like that approach but I can live with it if
> that is a preferred way (to be honest I would like to drop the empty

Well you added two branches, when only one is necessary. It's more or
less like preferring a rwsem when a mutex is enough, because you're
more used to use rwsems.

> down_write();up_write() from the other two callers as well). In fact I
> have asked Andrea to post his patch [5] but that hasn't happened. I do
> not think we should wait much longer and finally merge some fix. 

It's posted in [4] already below I didn't think it was necessary to
resend it. The only other improvement I can think of is an unlikely
around tsk_is_oom_victim() in exit_mmap, but your patch below would
need it too, and two of them.

> [1] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170724072332.31903-1-mhocko@kernel.org
> [2] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170725142626.GJ26723@dhcp22.suse.cz
> [3] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170725160359.GO26723@dhcp22.suse.cz
> [4] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170726162912.GA29716@redhat.com
> [5] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170728062345.GA2274@dhcp22.suse.cz
> 
> +	if (tsk_is_oom_victim(current)) {
> +		down_write(&mm->mmap_sem);
> +		locked = true;
> +	}
>  	free_pgtables(&tlb, vma, FIRST_USER_ADDRESS, USER_PGTABLES_CEILING);
>  	tlb_finish_mmu(&tlb, 0, -1);
>  
> @@ -3005,7 +3018,10 @@ void exit_mmap(struct mm_struct *mm)
>  			nr_accounted += vma_pages(vma);
>  		vma = remove_vma(vma);
>  	}
> +	mm->mmap = NULL;
>  	vm_unacct_memory(nr_accounted);
> +	if (locked)
> +		up_write(&mm->mmap_sem);

I wouldn't normally repost to add an unlikely when I'm not sure if it
gets merged, but if it gets merged I would immediately tell to Andrew
about the microoptimization being missing there so he can fold it
later.

Before reposting about the unlikely I thought we should agree which
version to merge: [4] or the above double branch (for no good as far
as I tangibly can tell).

I think down_write;up_write is the correct thing to do here because
holding the lock for any additional instruction has zero benefits, and
if it has zero benefits it only adds up confusion and makes the code
partly senseless, and that ultimately hurts the reader when it tries
to understand why you're holding the lock for so long when it's not
needed.

I just read other code yesterday for another bug about the rss going
off by one in some older kernel, that calls add_mm_rss_vec(mm, rss);
where rss is on the stack and mm->rss_stat is mm global, under the PT
lock, and again I had to ask myself why is it done there, and if the
PT lock could possibly help. My evaluation was no, it's just done in
the wrong place, but then I'm not 100% sure because there's a chance I
misread something very subtle.

	add_mm_rss_vec(mm, rss);
	arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode();

	/* Do the actual TLB flush before dropping ptl */
	if (force_flush)
		tlb_flush_mmu_tlbonly(tlb);
	pte_unmap_unlock(start_pte, ptl);

The tlb flushing doesn't seem to check the stats either, so why is
add_mm_rss_vec isn't called after pte_unmap_unlock?

And yes it looks offtopic (and there's no bug in the rss accounting, I
was just reading around it just in case) but it's not, it's precisely
the kind of issue I have with your patch because it'll introduce
another case like above that I can't explain why it's done under a
lock when it doesn't need it, and it's hard to guess it was just your
dislike for down_read;up_write that made you choose to hold the lock
for no good reason arbitrarily a bit longer.

Thanks,
Andrea

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Argangeli <andrea@kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm, oom: allow oom reaper to race with exit_mmap
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:05:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170810180554.GT25347@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170810081632.31265-1-mhocko@kernel.org>

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 10:16:32AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> Andrea has proposed and alternative solution [4] which should be
> equivalent functionally similar to {ksm,khugepaged}_exit. I have to
> confess I really don't like that approach but I can live with it if
> that is a preferred way (to be honest I would like to drop the empty

Well you added two branches, when only one is necessary. It's more or
less like preferring a rwsem when a mutex is enough, because you're
more used to use rwsems.

> down_write();up_write() from the other two callers as well). In fact I
> have asked Andrea to post his patch [5] but that hasn't happened. I do
> not think we should wait much longer and finally merge some fix. 

It's posted in [4] already below I didn't think it was necessary to
resend it. The only other improvement I can think of is an unlikely
around tsk_is_oom_victim() in exit_mmap, but your patch below would
need it too, and two of them.

> [1] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170724072332.31903-1-mhocko@kernel.org
> [2] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170725142626.GJ26723@dhcp22.suse.cz
> [3] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170725160359.GO26723@dhcp22.suse.cz
> [4] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170726162912.GA29716@redhat.com
> [5] http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170728062345.GA2274@dhcp22.suse.cz
> 
> +	if (tsk_is_oom_victim(current)) {
> +		down_write(&mm->mmap_sem);
> +		locked = true;
> +	}
>  	free_pgtables(&tlb, vma, FIRST_USER_ADDRESS, USER_PGTABLES_CEILING);
>  	tlb_finish_mmu(&tlb, 0, -1);
>  
> @@ -3005,7 +3018,10 @@ void exit_mmap(struct mm_struct *mm)
>  			nr_accounted += vma_pages(vma);
>  		vma = remove_vma(vma);
>  	}
> +	mm->mmap = NULL;
>  	vm_unacct_memory(nr_accounted);
> +	if (locked)
> +		up_write(&mm->mmap_sem);

I wouldn't normally repost to add an unlikely when I'm not sure if it
gets merged, but if it gets merged I would immediately tell to Andrew
about the microoptimization being missing there so he can fold it
later.

Before reposting about the unlikely I thought we should agree which
version to merge: [4] or the above double branch (for no good as far
as I tangibly can tell).

I think down_write;up_write is the correct thing to do here because
holding the lock for any additional instruction has zero benefits, and
if it has zero benefits it only adds up confusion and makes the code
partly senseless, and that ultimately hurts the reader when it tries
to understand why you're holding the lock for so long when it's not
needed.

I just read other code yesterday for another bug about the rss going
off by one in some older kernel, that calls add_mm_rss_vec(mm, rss);
where rss is on the stack and mm->rss_stat is mm global, under the PT
lock, and again I had to ask myself why is it done there, and if the
PT lock could possibly help. My evaluation was no, it's just done in
the wrong place, but then I'm not 100% sure because there's a chance I
misread something very subtle.

	add_mm_rss_vec(mm, rss);
	arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode();

	/* Do the actual TLB flush before dropping ptl */
	if (force_flush)
		tlb_flush_mmu_tlbonly(tlb);
	pte_unmap_unlock(start_pte, ptl);

The tlb flushing doesn't seem to check the stats either, so why is
add_mm_rss_vec isn't called after pte_unmap_unlock?

And yes it looks offtopic (and there's no bug in the rss accounting, I
was just reading around it just in case) but it's not, it's precisely
the kind of issue I have with your patch because it'll introduce
another case like above that I can't explain why it's done under a
lock when it doesn't need it, and it's hard to guess it was just your
dislike for down_read;up_write that made you choose to hold the lock
for no good reason arbitrarily a bit longer.

Thanks,
Andrea

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-10 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-10  8:16 [PATCH] mm, oom: allow oom reaper to race with exit_mmap Michal Hocko
2017-08-10  8:16 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 18:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2017-08-10 18:05   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-08-10 18:51   ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 18:51     ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 20:36     ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 20:36       ` Michal Hocko
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-07-27  8:29 Manish Jaggi
2017-07-27  9:24 ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-24  7:23 Michal Hocko
2017-07-24  7:23 ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-24 14:00 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-07-24 14:00   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-07-24 14:15   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-24 14:15     ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-24 14:51     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-07-24 14:51       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-07-24 16:11       ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-24 16:11         ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-25 14:17         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-07-25 14:17           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-07-25 14:26           ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-25 14:26             ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-25 15:07             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-07-25 15:07               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-07-25 15:15               ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-25 15:15                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-25 14:26         ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-25 15:17           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-07-25 15:17             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-07-25 15:23             ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-25 15:23               ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-25 15:31               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-07-25 15:31                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-07-25 16:04                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-25 16:04                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-25 19:19                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-25 19:19                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-26  5:45                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-26  5:45                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-26 16:29                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-26 16:29                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-26 16:43                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-26 16:43                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-27  6:50                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-27  6:50                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-27 14:55                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-27 14:55                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-28  6:23                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-28  6:23                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-15  0:20                         ` David Rientjes
2017-08-15  0:20                           ` David Rientjes
2017-07-24 15:27 ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-24 15:27   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-24 16:42 ` kbuild test robot
2017-07-24 18:12   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-24 18:12     ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-25 15:26 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-25 15:26   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-25 15:45   ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-25 15:45     ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-25 18:26     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-25 18:26       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-26  5:45       ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-26  5:45         ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-26 16:39         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-26 16:39           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2017-07-27  6:32           ` Michal Hocko
2017-07-27  6:32             ` Michal Hocko

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