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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: Bart Van Assche <Bart.VanAssche@wdc.com>,
	"snitzer@redhat.com" <snitzer@redhat.com>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	"hch@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	"osandov@fb.com" <osandov@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] blk-mq: fixup RESTART when queue becomes idle
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 10:32:13 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180119023212.GA25413@ming.t460p> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <deeb2b2e-6d0e-a144-843d-d08626de8aea@kernel.dk>

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 01:11:01PM -0700, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 1/18/18 11:47 AM, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> >> This is all very tiresome.
> > 
> > Yes, this is tiresome. It is very annoying to me that others keep
> > introducing so many regressions in such important parts of the kernel.
> > It is also annoying to me that I get blamed if I report a regression
> > instead of seeing that the regression gets fixed.
> 
> I agree, it sucks that any change there introduces the regression. I'm
> fine with doing the delay insert again until a new patch is proven to be
> better.

That way is still buggy as I explained, since rerun queue before adding
request to hctx->dispatch_list isn't correct. Who can make sure the request
is visible when __blk_mq_run_hw_queue() is called?

Not mention this way will cause performance regression again.

> 
> From the original topic of this email, we have conditions that can cause
> the driver to not be able to submit an IO. A set of those conditions can
> only happen if IO is in flight, and those cases we have covered just
> fine. Another set can potentially trigger without IO being in flight.
> These are cases where a non-device resource is unavailable at the time
> of submission. This might be iommu running out of space, for instance,
> or it might be a memory allocation of some sort. For these cases, we
> don't get any notification when the shortage clears. All we can do is
> ensure that we restart operations at some point in the future. We're SOL
> at that point, but we have to ensure that we make forward progress.

Right, it is a generic issue, not DM-specific one, almost all drivers
call kmalloc(GFP_ATOMIC) in IO path.

IMO, there is enough time for figuring out a generic solution before
4.16 release.

> 
> That last set of conditions better not be a a common occurence, since
> performance is down the toilet at that point. I don't want to introduce
> hot path code to rectify it. Have the driver return if that happens in a
> way that is DIFFERENT from needing a normal restart. The driver knows if
> this is a resource that will become available when IO completes on this
> device or not. If we get that return, we have a generic run-again delay.

Now most of times both NVMe and SCSI won't return BLK_STS_RESOURCE, and
it should be DM-only which returns STS_RESOURCE so often.

> 
> This basically becomes the same as doing the delay queue thing from DM,
> but just in a generic fashion.

Yeah, it is right.

-- 
Ming

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-19  2:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-18  2:41 [RFC PATCH] blk-mq: fixup RESTART when queue becomes idle Ming Lei
2018-01-18 16:50 ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 17:03   ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-18 17:03     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-18 17:20     ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 17:20       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 18:30       ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-18 18:47         ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 18:47           ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 20:11           ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-18 20:11             ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-18 20:48             ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-18 20:58               ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 20:58                 ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 21:23                 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-18 21:23                   ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-18 21:37                   ` Laurence Oberman
2018-01-18 21:39                   ` [dm-devel] " Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 21:39                     ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 21:45                     ` Laurence Oberman
2018-01-18 21:45                       ` Laurence Oberman
2018-01-18 22:01                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-18 22:18                       ` Laurence Oberman
2018-01-18 22:20                         ` Laurence Oberman
2018-01-18 22:20                           ` Laurence Oberman
2018-01-18 22:24                         ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 22:24                           ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 22:35                           ` Laurence Oberman
2018-01-18 22:39                             ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-18 22:55                               ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 22:55                                 ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 22:20                       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-18 22:20                         ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-23  9:22                         ` [PATCH] block: neutralize blk_insert_cloned_request IO stall regression (was: Re: [RFC PATCH] blk-mq: fixup RESTART when queue becomes idle) Mike Snitzer
2018-01-23 10:53                           ` Ming Lei
2018-01-23 12:15                             ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-23 12:17                               ` Ming Lei
2018-01-23 12:43                                 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-23 16:43                           ` [PATCH] " Bart Van Assche
2018-01-23 16:43                             ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19  2:32             ` Ming Lei [this message]
2018-01-19  4:02               ` [RFC PATCH] blk-mq: fixup RESTART when queue becomes idle Jens Axboe
2018-01-19  7:26                 ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 15:20                   ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19 15:20                     ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19 15:25                     ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 15:33                     ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 16:06                       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19 16:06                         ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19 15:24                   ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 15:40                     ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 15:40                       ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 15:48                       ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 16:05                         ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 16:19                           ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 16:26                             ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 16:27                               ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 16:37                                 ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 16:41                                   ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 16:41                                     ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 16:47                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-19 16:52                                       ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 17:05                                         ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 17:09                                           ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 17:20                                             ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 17:38                                   ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 18:24                                     ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 18:24                                       ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 18:33                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-19 23:52                                     ` Ming Lei
2018-01-20  4:27                                       ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 16:13                         ` Mike Snitzer
2018-01-19 16:23                           ` Jens Axboe
2018-01-19 23:57                             ` Ming Lei
2018-01-29 22:37                     ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19  5:09               ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19  5:09                 ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19  7:34                 ` Ming Lei
2018-01-19 19:47                   ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-19 19:47                     ` Bart Van Assche

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