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From: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
To: mst@redhat.com
Cc: wei.w.wang@intel.com, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, mhocko@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, liliang.opensource@gmail.com,
	yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com, quan.xu0@gmail.com, nilal@redhat.com,
	riel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v22 2/3] virtio-balloon: VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_VQ
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 23:23:56 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201801202323.JHH12456.VtOFHSLOMQFOFJ@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180119003101-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > >> +	 * the page if the vq is full. We are adding one entry each time,
> > > > >> +	 * which essentially results in no memory allocation, so the
> > > > >> +	 * GFP_KERNEL flag below can be ignored.
> > > > >> +	 */
> > > > >> +	if (vq->num_free) {
> > > > >> +		err = virtqueue_add_inbuf(vq, &sg, 1, vq, GFP_KERNEL);
> > > > > 
> > > > > Should we kick here? At least when ring is close to
> > > > > being full. Kick at half way full?
> > > > > Otherwise it's unlikely ring will
> > > > > ever be cleaned until we finish the scan.
> > > > 
> > > > Since this add_one_sg() is called between spin_lock_irqsave(&zone->lock, flags)
> > > > and spin_unlock_irqrestore(&zone->lock, flags), it is not permitted to sleep.
> > > 
> > > kick takes a while sometimes but it doesn't sleep.
> > 
> > I don't know about virtio. But the purpose of kicking here is to wait for pending data
> > to be flushed in order to increase vq->num_free, isn't it?
> 
> It isn't. It's to wake up device out of sleep to make it start
> processing the pending data. If device isn't asleep, it's a nop.

We need to wait until vq->num_free > 0 if vq->num_free == 0 if we want to allow
virtqueue_add_inbuf() to succeed. When will vq->num_free++ be called?

You said virtqueue_kick() is a no-op if the device is not asleep.
Then, there will be no guarantee that we can make vq->num_free > 0
by calling virtqueue_kick(). Are you saying that

	virtqueue_kick(vq);
	while (!vq->num_free)
		virtqueue_get_buf(vq, &unused);
	err = virtqueue_add_inbuf(vq, &sg, 1, vq, GFP_KERNEL);
	BUG_ON(err);

sequence from IRQ disabled atomic context is safe? If no, what is
the point with calling virtqueue_kick() when ring is close to being
(half way) full? We can't guarantee that all data is sent to QEMU after all.



Also, why does the cmd id matter? If VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_VQ does not
guarantee the atomicity, I don't see the point of communicating the cmd id
between the QEMU and the guest kernel. Just an EOF marker should be enough.
I do want to see changes for the QEMU side in order to review changes for
the guest kernel side.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
To: mst@redhat.com
Cc: wei.w.wang@intel.com, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, mhocko@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, liliang.opensource@gmail.com,
	yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com, quan.xu0@gmail.com, nilal@redhat.com,
	riel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v22 2/3] virtio-balloon: VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_VQ
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 23:23:56 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201801202323.JHH12456.VtOFHSLOMQFOFJ@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180119003101-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > >> +	 * the page if the vq is full. We are adding one entry each time,
> > > > >> +	 * which essentially results in no memory allocation, so the
> > > > >> +	 * GFP_KERNEL flag below can be ignored.
> > > > >> +	 */
> > > > >> +	if (vq->num_free) {
> > > > >> +		err = virtqueue_add_inbuf(vq, &sg, 1, vq, GFP_KERNEL);
> > > > > 
> > > > > Should we kick here? At least when ring is close to
> > > > > being full. Kick at half way full?
> > > > > Otherwise it's unlikely ring will
> > > > > ever be cleaned until we finish the scan.
> > > > 
> > > > Since this add_one_sg() is called between spin_lock_irqsave(&zone->lock, flags)
> > > > and spin_unlock_irqrestore(&zone->lock, flags), it is not permitted to sleep.
> > > 
> > > kick takes a while sometimes but it doesn't sleep.
> > 
> > I don't know about virtio. But the purpose of kicking here is to wait for pending data
> > to be flushed in order to increase vq->num_free, isn't it?
> 
> It isn't. It's to wake up device out of sleep to make it start
> processing the pending data. If device isn't asleep, it's a nop.

We need to wait until vq->num_free > 0 if vq->num_free == 0 if we want to allow
virtqueue_add_inbuf() to succeed. When will vq->num_free++ be called?

You said virtqueue_kick() is a no-op if the device is not asleep.
Then, there will be no guarantee that we can make vq->num_free > 0
by calling virtqueue_kick(). Are you saying that

	virtqueue_kick(vq);
	while (!vq->num_free)
		virtqueue_get_buf(vq, &unused);
	err = virtqueue_add_inbuf(vq, &sg, 1, vq, GFP_KERNEL);
	BUG_ON(err);

sequence from IRQ disabled atomic context is safe? If no, what is
the point with calling virtqueue_kick() when ring is close to being
(half way) full? We can't guarantee that all data is sent to QEMU after all.



Also, why does the cmd id matter? If VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_VQ does not
guarantee the atomicity, I don't see the point of communicating the cmd id
between the QEMU and the guest kernel. Just an EOF marker should be enough.
I do want to see changes for the QEMU side in order to review changes for
the guest kernel side.

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-20 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-17  5:10 [PATCH v22 0/3] Virtio-balloon: support free page reporting Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10 ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10 ` Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10 ` [PATCH v22 1/3] mm: support reporting free page blocks Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10 ` Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10   ` Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10 ` [PATCH v22 2/3] virtio-balloon: VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_VQ Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10 ` Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10   ` Wei Wang
2018-01-17  8:21   ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-17  8:21     ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-17  9:00     ` Wei Wang
2018-01-17  9:00       ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-01-17  9:00       ` Wei Wang
2018-01-17  9:27       ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-17  9:27       ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-17  9:27         ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-17 10:47         ` Wei Wang
2018-01-17 10:47         ` Wei Wang
2018-01-17 10:47           ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-01-17 10:47           ` Wei Wang
2018-01-17  9:00     ` Wei Wang
2018-01-17  8:21   ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-17 16:44   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-17 16:44   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-17 16:44     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-17 16:44     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-18 13:30     ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-18 13:30       ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-18 19:09       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-18 19:09         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-18 19:09         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-18 19:09         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-18 21:11         ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-18 21:11           ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-18 22:32           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-18 22:32             ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-18 22:32             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-18 22:32             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-20 14:23             ` Tetsuo Handa [this message]
2018-01-20 14:23               ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-01-19  3:44     ` Wei Wang
2018-01-19  3:44       ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-01-19  3:44       ` Wei Wang
2018-01-19 12:39       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-19 12:39         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-19 12:39         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-22 11:25         ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-01-22 11:25           ` Wei Wang
2018-01-22 11:25           ` Wei Wang
2018-01-24  3:18           ` Wei Wang
2018-01-24  3:18             ` Wei Wang
2018-01-24  3:18             ` Wei Wang
2018-01-24  3:18             ` Wei Wang
2018-01-24  4:31             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-24  4:31             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-24  4:31               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-24  4:31               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-24  4:29           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-24  4:29             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-24  4:29             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-24 11:28             ` Wei Wang
2018-01-24 11:28               ` Wei Wang
2018-01-24 11:28               ` Wei Wang
2018-01-24 11:28             ` Wei Wang
2018-01-24  4:29           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-22 11:25         ` Wei Wang
2018-01-19 12:39       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-19  3:44     ` Wei Wang
2018-01-19  6:24     ` Wei Wang
2018-01-19  6:24       ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-01-19  6:24       ` Wei Wang
2018-01-19  6:24     ` Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10 ` [PATCH v22 3/3] virtio-balloon: don't report free pages when page poisoning is enabled Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10 ` Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-01-17  5:10   ` Wei Wang
2018-01-18 22:37   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-18 22:37     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-18 22:37     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-01-18 22:37     ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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