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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>
Cc: Paul Walmsley <paul@pwsan.com>,
	Rajendra Nayak <rnayak@codeaurora.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>, Tero Kristo <t-kristo@ti.com>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ARM: avoid Cortex-A9 livelock on tight dmb loops
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:08:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180415140833.GH10990@n2100.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180411141139.GU5700@atomide.com>

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 07:11:39AM -0700, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> * Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk> [180411 12:53]:
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 05:12:37PM +0300, Tero Kristo wrote:
> > > On 10/04/18 16:41, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> > > >* Russell King <rmk+kernel@armlinux.org.uk> [180410 10:43]:
> > > >>diff --git a/arch/arm/mach-omap2/prm_common.c b/arch/arm/mach-omap2/prm_common.c
> > > >>index 021b5a8b9c0a..d4ddc78b2a0b 100644
> > > >>--- a/arch/arm/mach-omap2/prm_common.c
> > > >>+++ b/arch/arm/mach-omap2/prm_common.c
> > > >>@@ -523,7 +523,7 @@ void omap_prm_reset_system(void)
> > > >>  	prm_ll_data->reset_system();
> > > >>  	while (1)
> > > >>-		cpu_relax();
> > > >>+		cpu_do_idle();
> > > >>  }
> > > >
> > > >Hmm we need to check so the added WFI here does not cause an
> > > >undesired change to a low power state. Adding Tero to Cc also.
> > > 
> > > Generally it is a bad idea to call arbitrary WFI within OMAP architecture,
> > > as this triggers a PRCM power transition and will most likely cause a hang
> > > if not controlled properly.
> > > 
> > > Has this patch been tested on any platform that supports proper power
> > > management?
> > 
> > That will also go for the other locations in this patch too, as they
> > are all callable on _any_ platform.
> > 
> > It sounds like we need to abstract this so that platforms where "wfi"
> > is complex can handle the "spin on this CPU forever" appropriately.
> > 
> > While we could use dsb, we're asking a CPU to indefinitely spin in a
> > tight loop, which isn't going to be good for power consumption - what
> > if we have three CPUs doing that, could it push a SoC over the thermal
> > limits?  I don't think that's a question we can confidently answer
> > except for specific SoCs.
> 
> We already have code in the kernel (and in the bootrom) to "park" a
> cpu after starting. But using it without resetting the cpu would require
> 1-1 memory mapping or modifying the code. That is if we wanted to use
> the same code also for parking the cpus for kexec without resetting
> them.

In which case, how about using:

	while (1) {
		cpu_relax();
		wfe();
	}

instead - that appears to also have the desired effect, allowing kdump
to work on the SDP4430.

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From: linux@armlinux.org.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] ARM: avoid Cortex-A9 livelock on tight dmb loops
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 15:08:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180415140833.GH10990@n2100.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180411141139.GU5700@atomide.com>

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 07:11:39AM -0700, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> * Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk> [180411 12:53]:
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 05:12:37PM +0300, Tero Kristo wrote:
> > > On 10/04/18 16:41, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> > > >* Russell King <rmk+kernel@armlinux.org.uk> [180410 10:43]:
> > > >>diff --git a/arch/arm/mach-omap2/prm_common.c b/arch/arm/mach-omap2/prm_common.c
> > > >>index 021b5a8b9c0a..d4ddc78b2a0b 100644
> > > >>--- a/arch/arm/mach-omap2/prm_common.c
> > > >>+++ b/arch/arm/mach-omap2/prm_common.c
> > > >>@@ -523,7 +523,7 @@ void omap_prm_reset_system(void)
> > > >>  	prm_ll_data->reset_system();
> > > >>  	while (1)
> > > >>-		cpu_relax();
> > > >>+		cpu_do_idle();
> > > >>  }
> > > >
> > > >Hmm we need to check so the added WFI here does not cause an
> > > >undesired change to a low power state. Adding Tero to Cc also.
> > > 
> > > Generally it is a bad idea to call arbitrary WFI within OMAP architecture,
> > > as this triggers a PRCM power transition and will most likely cause a hang
> > > if not controlled properly.
> > > 
> > > Has this patch been tested on any platform that supports proper power
> > > management?
> > 
> > That will also go for the other locations in this patch too, as they
> > are all callable on _any_ platform.
> > 
> > It sounds like we need to abstract this so that platforms where "wfi"
> > is complex can handle the "spin on this CPU forever" appropriately.
> > 
> > While we could use dsb, we're asking a CPU to indefinitely spin in a
> > tight loop, which isn't going to be good for power consumption - what
> > if we have three CPUs doing that, could it push a SoC over the thermal
> > limits?  I don't think that's a question we can confidently answer
> > except for specific SoCs.
> 
> We already have code in the kernel (and in the bootrom) to "park" a
> cpu after starting. But using it without resetting the cpu would require
> 1-1 memory mapping or modifying the code. That is if we wanted to use
> the same code also for parking the cpus for kexec without resetting
> them.

In which case, how about using:

	while (1) {
		cpu_relax();
		wfe();
	}

instead - that appears to also have the desired effect, allowing kdump
to work on the SDP4430.

-- 
RMK's Patch system: http://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/
FTTC broadband for 0.8mile line in suburbia: sync at 8.8Mbps down 630kbps up
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-15 14:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-10 10:41 [PATCH] ARM: avoid Cortex-A9 livelock on tight dmb loops Russell King
2018-04-10 10:41 ` Russell King
2018-04-10 13:41 ` Tony Lindgren
2018-04-10 13:41   ` Tony Lindgren
2018-04-10 14:12   ` Tero Kristo
2018-04-10 14:12     ` Tero Kristo
2018-04-10 15:28     ` Will Deacon
2018-04-10 15:28       ` Will Deacon
2018-04-11 12:52     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-11 12:52       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-11 12:57       ` Tero Kristo
2018-04-11 12:57         ` Tero Kristo
2018-04-11 12:59       ` Keerthy
2018-04-11 12:59         ` Keerthy
2018-04-11 13:10         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-11 13:10           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-11 14:11       ` Tony Lindgren
2018-04-11 14:11         ` Tony Lindgren
2018-04-15 14:08         ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2018-04-15 14:08           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-15 15:50           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-15 15:50             ` Russell King - ARM Linux

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