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From: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: "Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"moderated list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"amd-gfx list" <amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Jerome Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Logan Gunthorpe" <logang@deltatee.com>,
	"open list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Thierry Reding" <treding@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 4/8] dma-buf: add peer2peer flag
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 09:30:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180425073039.GO25142@phenom.ffwll.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180425070905.GA24827@infradead.org>

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 12:09:05AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 09:02:17AM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > Can we please not nack everything right away? Doesn't really motivate
> > me to show you all the various things we're doing in gpu to make the
> > dma layer work for us. That kind of noodling around in lower levels to
> > get them to do what we want is absolutely par-for-course for gpu
> > drivers. If you just nack everything I point you at for illustrative
> > purposes, then I can't show you stuff anymore.
> 
> No, it's not.  No driver (and that includes the magic GPUs) has
> any business messing with dma ops directly.
> 
> A GPU driver imght have a very valid reason to disable the IOMMU,
> but the code to do so needs to be at least in the arch code, maybe
> in the dma-mapping/iommu code, not in the driver.
> 
> As a first step to get the discussion started we'll simply need
> to move the code Thierry wrote into a helper in arch/arm and that
> alone would be a massive improvement.  I'm not even talking about
> minor details like actually using arm_get_dma_map_ops instead
> of duplicating it.
> 
> And doing this basic trivial work really helps to get this whole
> mess under control.

Ah ok. It did sound a bit like a much more cathegorical NAK than an "ack
in principle, but we need to shuffle the implementation into the right
place first". In the past we generally got a principled NAK on anything
funny we've been doing with the dma api, and the dma api maintainer
steaming off telling us we're incompetent idiots. I guess I've been
branded a bit on this topic :-/

Really great that this is changing now.

On the patch itself: It might not be the right thing in all cases, since
for certain compression formats the nv gpu wants larger pages (easy to
allocate from vram, not so easy from main memory), so might need the iommu
still. But currently that's not implemented:

https://www.spinics.net/lists/dri-devel/msg173932.html

Cheers, Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch

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From: Daniel Vetter <daniel-/w4YWyX8dFk@public.gmane.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Linux Kernel Mailing List"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"amd-gfx list"
	<amd-gfx-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org>,
	"moderated list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linaro-mm-sig-cunTk1MwBs8s++Sfvej+rw@public.gmane.org>,
	"Jerome Glisse" <jglisse-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	dri-devel
	<dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel-/w4YWyX8dFk@public.gmane.org>,
	"Dan Williams"
	<dan.j.williams-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Thierry Reding"
	<treding-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Logan Gunthorpe"
	<logang-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>,
	"open list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
	<linux-media-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 4/8] dma-buf: add peer2peer flag
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 09:30:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180425073039.GO25142@phenom.ffwll.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180425070905.GA24827-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 12:09:05AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 09:02:17AM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > Can we please not nack everything right away? Doesn't really motivate
> > me to show you all the various things we're doing in gpu to make the
> > dma layer work for us. That kind of noodling around in lower levels to
> > get them to do what we want is absolutely par-for-course for gpu
> > drivers. If you just nack everything I point you at for illustrative
> > purposes, then I can't show you stuff anymore.
> 
> No, it's not.  No driver (and that includes the magic GPUs) has
> any business messing with dma ops directly.
> 
> A GPU driver imght have a very valid reason to disable the IOMMU,
> but the code to do so needs to be at least in the arch code, maybe
> in the dma-mapping/iommu code, not in the driver.
> 
> As a first step to get the discussion started we'll simply need
> to move the code Thierry wrote into a helper in arch/arm and that
> alone would be a massive improvement.  I'm not even talking about
> minor details like actually using arm_get_dma_map_ops instead
> of duplicating it.
> 
> And doing this basic trivial work really helps to get this whole
> mess under control.

Ah ok. It did sound a bit like a much more cathegorical NAK than an "ack
in principle, but we need to shuffle the implementation into the right
place first". In the past we generally got a principled NAK on anything
funny we've been doing with the dma api, and the dma api maintainer
steaming off telling us we're incompetent idiots. I guess I've been
branded a bit on this topic :-/

Really great that this is changing now.

On the patch itself: It might not be the right thing in all cases, since
for certain compression formats the nv gpu wants larger pages (easy to
allocate from vram, not so easy from main memory), so might need the iommu
still. But currently that's not implemented:

https://www.spinics.net/lists/dri-devel/msg173932.html

Cheers, Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch
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Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-25 10:59 [PATCH 1/8] lib/scatterlist: add sg_set_dma_addr() helper Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59 ` Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59 ` [PATCH 2/8] PCI: Add pci_find_common_upstream_dev() Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59   ` Christian König
2018-03-28 12:38   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-03-28 15:07     ` Christian König
2018-03-28 15:07       ` Christian König
2018-03-28 15:47       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-28 16:02         ` Christian König
2018-03-28 16:02           ` Christian König
2018-03-28 16:25           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-28 18:28             ` Christian König
2018-03-28 18:28               ` Christian König
2018-03-28 18:57               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-28 19:44                 ` Christian König
2018-03-28 19:44                   ` Christian König
2018-03-28 19:53                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 11:44                     ` Christian König
2018-03-29 15:45                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 16:10                         ` Christian König
2018-03-29 16:10                           ` Christian König
2018-03-29 16:25                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 18:15                             ` Christian König
2018-03-29 18:15                               ` Christian König
2018-03-30  1:58                             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-30  1:58                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-30  6:33                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-03-30  6:33                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-03-30 15:25                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-30 18:46                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-30 19:45                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-30 19:45                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 17:02                                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-02 17:20                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 17:20                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 17:37                                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-02 19:16                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 19:16                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 19:32                                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-02 19:45                                             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 19:45                                               ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]                     ` <CADnq5_P-z=Noos_jaME9_CERri3C-m2hPPvx2bArr36O=1FnrA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-03-29 14:37                       ` Alex Deucher
2018-03-29 14:37                         ` Alex Deucher
2018-03-25 10:59 ` [PATCH 3/8] PCI: Add pci_peer_traffic_supported() Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59   ` Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59 ` [PATCH 4/8] dma-buf: add peer2peer flag Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59   ` Christian König
2018-03-29  6:57   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-29  6:57     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-29 11:34     ` Christian König
2018-03-29 11:34       ` Christian König
2018-04-03  9:09       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-03  9:09         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-03 17:06         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-03 17:06           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-03 18:08           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-03 18:08             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-16 12:39             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-16 12:39               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-16 13:38               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-16 13:38                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-19  8:16                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-19  8:16                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-20  7:13                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-20  7:13                     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-20  8:58                     ` Christian König
2018-04-20  8:58                       ` Christian König
2018-04-20 10:17                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-20 10:17                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-20 10:44                         ` Christian König
2018-04-20 10:44                           ` Christian König
2018-04-20 12:46                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-20 15:21                             ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Daniel Vetter
2018-04-24 18:48                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-24 18:48                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-24 19:32                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-24 19:32                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  5:48                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  5:48                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  6:10                                     ` Alex Deucher
2018-04-25  6:10                                       ` Alex Deucher
2018-04-25  6:13                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  6:13                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  6:23                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  6:23                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  6:43                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  6:43                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  7:02                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  7:02                                             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  7:09                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  7:09                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  7:30                                               ` Daniel Vetter [this message]
2018-04-25  7:30                                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  7:56                                                 ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  7:56                                                   ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  8:55                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  8:55                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  7:43                                               ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  7:43                                                 ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  7:41                                           ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  7:41                                             ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  8:54                                             ` noveau vs arm dma ops Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  8:54                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  8:54                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  9:25                                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-25  9:25                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-25 10:04                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 10:04                                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 10:04                                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 15:33                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25 15:33                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25 15:33                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25 21:35                                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 21:35                                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 21:35                                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 23:26                                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-25 23:26                                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-26  9:17                                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:17                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:17                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:09                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:09                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:09                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:45                                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:45                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:45                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26 11:12                                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-26 11:12                                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-25 22:54                                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-25 22:54                                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-26  9:13                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:13                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:13                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:20                                                     ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:20                                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:20                                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:24                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:24                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:24                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:39                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:39                                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:39                                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  6:24                                       ` [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 4/8] dma-buf: add peer2peer flag Alex Deucher
2018-04-25  6:24                                         ` Alex Deucher
2018-04-25  6:41                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  6:41                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25 17:44                                           ` Alex Deucher
2018-04-25 17:44                                             ` Alex Deucher
2018-04-25 18:38                                             ` Dan Williams
2018-04-25 18:38                                               ` Dan Williams
2018-05-04 12:45                                             ` Lucas Stach
2018-03-25 10:59 ` [PATCH 5/8] drm/amdgpu: print DMA-buf status in debugfs Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59   ` Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59 ` [PATCH 6/8] drm/amdgpu: note that we can handle peer2peer DMA-buf Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59   ` Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59 ` [PATCH 7/8] drm/amdgpu: add amdgpu_gem_attach Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59   ` Christian König
2018-03-25 11:00 ` [PATCH 8/8] drm/amdgpu: add support for exporting VRAM using DMA-buf Christian König
2018-03-25 11:00   ` Christian König
2018-03-28 12:37 ` [PATCH 1/8] lib/scatterlist: add sg_set_dma_addr() helper Christoph Hellwig
2018-03-28 12:37   ` Christoph Hellwig

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