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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Kim Phillips <kim.phillips@arm.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ganapatrao Kulkarni <ganapatrao.kulkarni@cavium.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, jnair@caviumnetworks.com,
	Robert.Richter@cavium.com, Vadim.Lomovtsev@cavium.com,
	Jan.Glauber@cavium.com, gklkml16@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] ThunderX2: Add Cavium ThunderX2 SoC UNCORE PMU driver
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 15:37:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180427143719.GA5093@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180427081525.f9dcc756678baf3bb6e6e473@arm.com>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 08:15:25AM -0500, Kim Phillips wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 10:30:27 +0100
> Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 05:06:24PM -0500, Kim Phillips wrote:
> > > On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:30:47 +0530
> > > Ganapatrao Kulkarni <ganapatrao.kulkarni@cavium.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > +static int thunderx2_uncore_event_init(struct perf_event *event)
> > 
> > > This PMU driver can be made more user-friendly by not just silently
> > > returning an error code such as -EINVAL, but by emitting a useful
> > > message describing the specific error via dmesg.
> > 
> > As has previously been discussed on several occasions, patches which log
> > to dmesg in a pmu::event_init() path at any level above pr_debug() are
> > not acceptable -- dmesg is not intended as a mechanism to inform users
> > of driver-specific constraints.
> 
> I disagree - drivers do it all the time, using dev_err(), dev_warn(), etc.
> 
> > I would appreciate if in future you could qualify your suggestion with
> > the requirement that pr_debug() is used.
> 
> It shouldn't - the driver isn't being debugged, it's in regular use.

For anything under drivers/perf/, I'd prefer not to have these prints
and instead see efforts to improve error reporting via the perf system
call interface.

Anyway, I think this driver has bigger problems that need addressing.

Will

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Kim Phillips <kim.phillips@arm.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ganapatrao Kulkarni <ganapatrao.kulkarni@cavium.com>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, jnair@caviumnetworks.com,
	Robert.Richter@cavium.com, Vadim.Lomovtsev@cavium.com,
	Jan.Glauber@cavium.com, gklkml16@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] ThunderX2: Add Cavium ThunderX2 SoC UNCORE PMU driver
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 15:37:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180427143719.GA5093@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180427081525.f9dcc756678baf3bb6e6e473@arm.com>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 08:15:25AM -0500, Kim Phillips wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 10:30:27 +0100
> Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 05:06:24PM -0500, Kim Phillips wrote:
> > > On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:30:47 +0530
> > > Ganapatrao Kulkarni <ganapatrao.kulkarni@cavium.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > +static int thunderx2_uncore_event_init(struct perf_event *event)
> > 
> > > This PMU driver can be made more user-friendly by not just silently
> > > returning an error code such as -EINVAL, but by emitting a useful
> > > message describing the specific error via dmesg.
> > 
> > As has previously been discussed on several occasions, patches which log
> > to dmesg in a pmu::event_init() path at any level above pr_debug() are
> > not acceptable -- dmesg is not intended as a mechanism to inform users
> > of driver-specific constraints.
> 
> I disagree - drivers do it all the time, using dev_err(), dev_warn(), etc.
> 
> > I would appreciate if in future you could qualify your suggestion with
> > the requirement that pr_debug() is used.
> 
> It shouldn't - the driver isn't being debugged, it's in regular use.

For anything under drivers/perf/, I'd prefer not to have these prints
and instead see efforts to improve error reporting via the perf system
call interface.

Anyway, I think this driver has bigger problems that need addressing.

Will
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From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v4 2/2] ThunderX2: Add Cavium ThunderX2 SoC UNCORE PMU driver
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 15:37:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180427143719.GA5093@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180427081525.f9dcc756678baf3bb6e6e473@arm.com>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 08:15:25AM -0500, Kim Phillips wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 10:30:27 +0100
> Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 05:06:24PM -0500, Kim Phillips wrote:
> > > On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:30:47 +0530
> > > Ganapatrao Kulkarni <ganapatrao.kulkarni@cavium.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > +static int thunderx2_uncore_event_init(struct perf_event *event)
> > 
> > > This PMU driver can be made more user-friendly by not just silently
> > > returning an error code such as -EINVAL, but by emitting a useful
> > > message describing the specific error via dmesg.
> > 
> > As has previously been discussed on several occasions, patches which log
> > to dmesg in a pmu::event_init() path at any level above pr_debug() are
> > not acceptable -- dmesg is not intended as a mechanism to inform users
> > of driver-specific constraints.
> 
> I disagree - drivers do it all the time, using dev_err(), dev_warn(), etc.
> 
> > I would appreciate if in future you could qualify your suggestion with
> > the requirement that pr_debug() is used.
> 
> It shouldn't - the driver isn't being debugged, it's in regular use.

For anything under drivers/perf/, I'd prefer not to have these prints
and instead see efforts to improve error reporting via the perf system
call interface.

Anyway, I think this driver has bigger problems that need addressing.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-27 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-25  9:00 [PATCH v4 0/2] Add ThunderX2 SoC Performance Monitoring Unit driver Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-04-25  9:00 ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-04-25  9:00 ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-04-25  9:00 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] perf: uncore: Adding documentation for ThunderX2 pmu uncore driver Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-04-25  9:00   ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-04-25  9:00   ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-04-26 20:55   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-26 20:55     ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-26 20:55     ` Randy Dunlap
2018-04-27  4:49     ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-04-27  4:49       ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-04-27  4:49       ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-04-25  9:00 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] ThunderX2: Add Cavium ThunderX2 SoC UNCORE PMU driver Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-04-25  9:00   ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-04-25  9:00   ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-04-26 10:59   ` Mark Rutland
2018-04-26 10:59     ` Mark Rutland
2018-04-26 10:59     ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 18:46     ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-05-04 18:46       ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-05-04 18:46       ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-05-15 10:33       ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-05-15 10:33         ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-05-15 10:33         ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-05-21 10:37         ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-21 10:37           ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-21 10:37           ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-21 10:40           ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-21 10:40             ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-21 10:40             ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-21 12:42             ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-05-21 12:42               ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-05-21 12:42               ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-05-21 10:55       ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-21 10:55         ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-21 10:55         ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-21 12:34         ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-05-21 12:34           ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-05-21 12:34           ` Ganapatrao Kulkarni
2018-04-26 22:06   ` Kim Phillips
2018-04-26 22:06     ` Kim Phillips
2018-04-26 22:06     ` Kim Phillips
2018-04-27  9:30     ` Mark Rutland
2018-04-27  9:30       ` Mark Rutland
2018-04-27  9:30       ` Mark Rutland
2018-04-27 13:15       ` Kim Phillips
2018-04-27 13:15         ` Kim Phillips
2018-04-27 13:15         ` Kim Phillips
2018-04-27 14:37         ` Will Deacon [this message]
2018-04-27 14:37           ` Will Deacon
2018-04-27 14:37           ` Will Deacon
2018-04-27 15:46           ` Kim Phillips
2018-04-27 15:46             ` Kim Phillips
2018-04-27 15:46             ` Kim Phillips
2018-04-27 16:09             ` Will Deacon
2018-04-27 16:09               ` Will Deacon
2018-04-27 16:09               ` Will Deacon
2018-04-27 16:56               ` Kim Phillips
2018-04-27 16:56                 ` Kim Phillips
2018-04-27 16:56                 ` Kim Phillips
2018-05-01 11:54                 ` Will Deacon
2018-05-01 11:54                   ` Will Deacon
2018-05-01 11:54                   ` Will Deacon
2018-05-04  0:30                   ` Kim Phillips
2018-05-04  0:30                     ` Kim Phillips
2018-05-04  0:30                     ` Kim Phillips
2018-05-04 17:10                     ` Robin Murphy
2018-05-04 17:10                       ` Robin Murphy
2018-05-04 17:10                       ` Robin Murphy
2018-05-10  1:09                       ` Kim Phillips
2018-05-10  1:09                         ` Kim Phillips
2018-05-10  1:09                         ` Kim Phillips

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