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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>
Cc: Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	rjw@rjwysocki.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Eduardo Valentin <edubezval@gmail.com>,
	Javi Merino <javi.merino@kernel.org>,
	Leo Yan <leo.yan@linaro.org>,
	Kevin Wangtao <kevin.wangtao@linaro.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Rui Zhang <rui.zhang@intel.com>,
	Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>,
	"open list:POWER MANAGEMENT CORE" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V5] powercap/drivers/idle_injection: Add an idle injection framework
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:32:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180607093201.GL12198@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d2b8c964-ea0f-624c-a178-721537893541@linaro.org>

On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 11:09:13AM +0200, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> On 07/06/2018 10:49, Viresh Kumar wrote:
> > On 07-06-18, 10:46, Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> >> Yes, correct.
> >>
> >> But if we don't care about who wins to store to value, is there a risk
> >> of scramble variable if we just assign a value ?
> > 
> > Normally no, as the compiler wouldn't screw it up badly. But there is no rule
> > which stops the compiler from doing this:
> > 
> > idle_duration_ms = 5;
> > idle_duration_ms = -5;
> > idle_duration_ms = 0;
> > idle_duration_ms = <real-value-we-want-to-write>;
> > 
> > So we *must* use READ/WRITE_ONCE() to make sure garbage values aren't seen by
> > readers.
> 
> Ok understood. Why would a compiler do this kind of things ?

I think the above can happen when the compiler uses the variable as a
scratch pad -- very rare I would say.

In general a compiler needs to proof that doing this makes no observable
difference ("as-if" rule). And since it is a regular variable it can
assume data-race-free and do the above (or something like that). Because
if there is a data-race it is UB and it can still do whatever it
pleases.

And here I think the point is that regular variables are considered only
in the context of a single linear execution context. Locks are assumed
to bound observability.

And here the "volatile" and "_atomic" type specifiers again tell the
compiler something 'special' is going on and you should not muck with
things.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-07  9:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-05  9:16 [PATCH V5] powercap/drivers/idle_injection: Add an idle injection framework Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-05  9:16 ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-05 10:39 ` Viresh Kumar
2018-06-05 14:54   ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-06  4:27     ` Viresh Kumar
2018-06-06 10:22       ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-06 10:45         ` Viresh Kumar
2018-06-06 12:05           ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-06 12:29             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-07 14:11           ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-08  4:48             ` Viresh Kumar
2018-06-08  8:31               ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-06 12:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-06 13:42   ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-06 15:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-07  8:18       ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-07  8:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-07  8:42           ` Viresh Kumar
2018-06-07  8:46             ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-07  8:49               ` Viresh Kumar
2018-06-07  9:09                 ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-07  9:32                   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-06-07  9:39                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-07 12:31                       ` Daniel Lezcano
2018-06-07  9:09                 ` Peter Zijlstra

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