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From: Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
	Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
	Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
	Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/3] locking: Clarify requirements for smp_mb__after_spinlock()
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 19:07:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180703170757.GA3251@andrea> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180703153910.GZ3593@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 08:39:10AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:

[...]

> > + * smp_mb__after_spinlock() provides the equivalent of a full memory barrier
> > + * between program-order earlier lock acquisitions and program-order later
> 
> Not just the earlier lock acquisition, but also all program-order earlier
> memory accesses, correct?

I understand: "but also all program-order earlier memory accesses program-order
before that lock acquisition(s) ...".  Yes, but:

  - I considered this as implied by the above (L ->mb M2 and M1 ->po L implies
    M1 ->mb M2, where M1, M2 are memory accesses and L is a lock acquisition);

  - my prose abilities are limited ;-), and I was/am unable to come up with an
    (to me) acceptable or readable enough way to make it explicit; some ideas?


> > + *	  WRITE_ONCE(X, 1);		WRITE_ONCE(Y, 1);
> > + *	  spin_lock(S);			smp_mb();
> > + *	  smp_mb__after_spinlock();	r1 = READ_ONCE(X);
> > + *	  r0 = READ_ONCE(Y);
> > + *	  spin_unlock(S);
> 
> Should we say that this is an instance of the SB pattern?  (Am OK either
> way, just asking the question.)

I don't think we *should* ;-),  but I'm also OK either way.

  Andrea

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From: Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
	Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
	Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
	Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/3] locking: Clarify requirements for smp_mb__after_spinlock()
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 19:07:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180703170757.GA3251@andrea> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180703153910.GZ3593@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 08:39:10AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:

[...]

> > + * smp_mb__after_spinlock() provides the equivalent of a full memory barrier
> > + * between program-order earlier lock acquisitions and program-order later
> 
> Not just the earlier lock acquisition, but also all program-order earlier
> memory accesses, correct?

I understand: "but also all program-order earlier memory accesses program-order
before that lock acquisition(s) ...".  Yes, but:

  - I considered this as implied by the above (L ->mb M2 and M1 ->po L implies
    M1 ->mb M2, where M1, M2 are memory accesses and L is a lock acquisition);

  - my prose abilities are limited ;-), and I was/am unable to come up with an
    (to me) acceptable or readable enough way to make it explicit; some ideas?


> > + *	  WRITE_ONCE(X, 1);		WRITE_ONCE(Y, 1);
> > + *	  spin_lock(S);			smp_mb();
> > + *	  smp_mb__after_spinlock();	r1 = READ_ONCE(X);
> > + *	  r0 = READ_ONCE(Y);
> > + *	  spin_unlock(S);
> 
> Should we say that this is an instance of the SB pattern?  (Am OK either
> way, just asking the question.)

I don't think we *should* ;-),  but I'm also OK either way.

  Andrea
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  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-03 17:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-28 10:41 [PATCH 0/3] sched/locking/doc: Miscellaneous fixes Andrea Parri
2018-06-28 10:41 ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-28 10:41 ` [PATCH 1/3] sched: Use smp_mb() in wake_woken_function() Andrea Parri
2018-06-28 10:41   ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-28 10:41 ` [PATCH 2/3] locking: Clarify requirements for smp_mb__after_spinlock() Andrea Parri
2018-06-28 10:41   ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-28 13:02   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-06-28 13:02     ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-06-28 13:10     ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-28 13:10       ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-28 13:49   ` Alan Stern
2018-06-28 13:49     ` Alan Stern
2018-06-28 13:52     ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-28 13:52       ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-28 15:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-28 15:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-28 17:30     ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-28 17:30       ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-02 12:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-02 12:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-02 15:11   ` [PATCH v2 " Andrea Parri
2018-07-02 15:11     ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-02 15:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-02 15:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-03  8:49       ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-03  8:49         ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-03 14:53     ` [PATCH v3 " Andrea Parri
2018-07-03 14:53       ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-03 15:39       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-03 15:39         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-03 17:07         ` Andrea Parri [this message]
2018-07-03 17:07           ` Andrea Parri
2018-06-28 10:41 ` [PATCH 3/3] doc: Update wake_up() & co. memory-barrier guarantees Andrea Parri
2018-06-28 10:41   ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-05 22:28 ` [PATCH 0/3] sched/locking/doc: Miscellaneous fixes Andrea Parri
2018-07-05 22:28   ` Andrea Parri
2018-07-06 10:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-06 10:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-06 14:43     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-06 14:43       ` Paul E. McKenney

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