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From: AKASHI Takahiro <takahiro.akashi@linaro.org>
To: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
Cc: catalin.marinas@arm.com, will.deacon@arm.com,
	dhowells@redhat.com, vgoyal@redhat.com,
	herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, davem@davemloft.net,
	dyoung@redhat.com, bhe@redhat.com, arnd@arndb.de,
	schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com,
	ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org, bhsharma@redhat.com,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 16/16] arm64: kexec_file: add kaslr support
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 17:31:06 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180727083104.GI11258@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50b31f17-fc85-aa72-06f5-d3b62060a91f@arm.com>

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 02:40:49PM +0100, James Morse wrote:
> Hi Akashi,
> 
> On 24/07/18 07:57, AKASHI Takahiro wrote:
> > Adding "kaslr-seed" to dtb enables triggering kaslr, or kernel virtual
> > address randomization, at secondary kernel boot.
> 
> Hmm, there are three things that get moved by CONFIG_RANDOMIZE_BASE. The kernel
> physical placement when booted via the EFIstub, the kernel-text VAs and the
> location of memory in the linear-map region. Adding the kaslr-seed only does the
> last two.

Yes, but I think that I and Mark has agreed that "kaslr" meant
"virtual" randomisation, not including "physical" randomisation.

> This means the physical placement of the new kernel is predictable from
> /proc/iomem ... but this also tells you the physical placement of the current
> kernel, so I don't think this is a problem.
> 
> 
> > We always do this as it will have no harm on kaslr-incapable kernel.
> 
> > We don't have any "switch" to turn off this feature directly, but still
> > can suppress it by passing "nokaslr" as a kernel boot argument.
> 
> 
> > diff --git a/arch/arm64/kernel/machine_kexec_file.c b/arch/arm64/kernel/machine_kexec_file.c
> > index 7356da5a53d5..47a4fbd0dc34 100644
> > --- a/arch/arm64/kernel/machine_kexec_file.c
> > +++ b/arch/arm64/kernel/machine_kexec_file.c
> > @@ -158,6 +160,12 @@ static int setup_dtb(struct kimage *image,
> 
> Don't you need to reserve some space in the area you vmalloc()d for the DT?

No, I don't think so.
All the data to be loaded are temporarily saved in kexec buffers,
which will eventually be copied to target locations in machine_kexec
(arm64_relocate_new_kernel, which, unlike its name, will handle
not only kernel but also other data as well).

> 
> > +	/* add kaslr-seed */
> > +	get_random_bytes(&value, sizeof(value));
> 
> What happens if the crng isn't ready?
> 
> It looks like this will print a warning that these random-bytes aren't really up
> to standard, but the new kernel doesn't know this happened.
> 
> crng_ready() isn't exposed, all we could do now is
> wait_for_random_bytes(), but that may wait forever because we do this
> unconditionally.
> 
> I'd prefer to leave this feature until we can check crng_ready(), and skip
> adding a dodgy-seed if its not-ready. This avoids polluting the next-kernel's
> entropy pool.

OK. I would try to follow the same way as Bhupesh's userspace patch
does for kaslr-seed:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/kexec/2018-April/020564.html

  if (not found kaslr-seed in 1st kernel's dtb)
     don't care; go ahead
  else
     if (current kaslr-seed != 0)
        error
     if (crng_ready()) ; FIXME, it's a local macro
        get_random_bytes(non-blocking)
        set new kaslr-seed
     else
        error

> 
> > +	ret = fdt_setprop(buf, nodeoffset, "kaslr-seed", &value, sizeof(value));
> 
> Nit: It would be nice if this string were in a header file somewhere, to void
> future refactoring typos.

OK. (but in this file for now as I mentioned in my previous reply)

Thanks,
-Takahiro AKASHI

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> James

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From: takahiro.akashi@linaro.org (AKASHI Takahiro)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v12 16/16] arm64: kexec_file: add kaslr support
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 17:31:06 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180727083104.GI11258@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50b31f17-fc85-aa72-06f5-d3b62060a91f@arm.com>

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 02:40:49PM +0100, James Morse wrote:
> Hi Akashi,
> 
> On 24/07/18 07:57, AKASHI Takahiro wrote:
> > Adding "kaslr-seed" to dtb enables triggering kaslr, or kernel virtual
> > address randomization, at secondary kernel boot.
> 
> Hmm, there are three things that get moved by CONFIG_RANDOMIZE_BASE. The kernel
> physical placement when booted via the EFIstub, the kernel-text VAs and the
> location of memory in the linear-map region. Adding the kaslr-seed only does the
> last two.

Yes, but I think that I and Mark has agreed that "kaslr" meant
"virtual" randomisation, not including "physical" randomisation.

> This means the physical placement of the new kernel is predictable from
> /proc/iomem ... but this also tells you the physical placement of the current
> kernel, so I don't think this is a problem.
> 
> 
> > We always do this as it will have no harm on kaslr-incapable kernel.
> 
> > We don't have any "switch" to turn off this feature directly, but still
> > can suppress it by passing "nokaslr" as a kernel boot argument.
> 
> 
> > diff --git a/arch/arm64/kernel/machine_kexec_file.c b/arch/arm64/kernel/machine_kexec_file.c
> > index 7356da5a53d5..47a4fbd0dc34 100644
> > --- a/arch/arm64/kernel/machine_kexec_file.c
> > +++ b/arch/arm64/kernel/machine_kexec_file.c
> > @@ -158,6 +160,12 @@ static int setup_dtb(struct kimage *image,
> 
> Don't you need to reserve some space in the area you vmalloc()d for the DT?

No, I don't think so.
All the data to be loaded are temporarily saved in kexec buffers,
which will eventually be copied to target locations in machine_kexec
(arm64_relocate_new_kernel, which, unlike its name, will handle
not only kernel but also other data as well).

> 
> > +	/* add kaslr-seed */
> > +	get_random_bytes(&value, sizeof(value));
> 
> What happens if the crng isn't ready?
> 
> It looks like this will print a warning that these random-bytes aren't really up
> to standard, but the new kernel doesn't know this happened.
> 
> crng_ready() isn't exposed, all we could do now is
> wait_for_random_bytes(), but that may wait forever because we do this
> unconditionally.
> 
> I'd prefer to leave this feature until we can check crng_ready(), and skip
> adding a dodgy-seed if its not-ready. This avoids polluting the next-kernel's
> entropy pool.

OK. I would try to follow the same way as Bhupesh's userspace patch
does for kaslr-seed:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/kexec/2018-April/020564.html

  if (not found kaslr-seed in 1st kernel's dtb)
     don't care; go ahead
  else
     if (current kaslr-seed != 0)
        error
     if (crng_ready()) ; FIXME, it's a local macro
        get_random_bytes(non-blocking)
        set new kaslr-seed
     else
        error

> 
> > +	ret = fdt_setprop(buf, nodeoffset, "kaslr-seed", &value, sizeof(value));
> 
> Nit: It would be nice if this string were in a header file somewhere, to void
> future refactoring typos.

OK. (but in this file for now as I mentioned in my previous reply)

Thanks,
-Takahiro AKASHI

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> James

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: AKASHI Takahiro <takahiro.akashi@linaro.org>
To: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
Cc: herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, bhe@redhat.com,
	ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com,
	bhsharma@redhat.com, will.deacon@arm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com,
	dhowells@redhat.com, arnd@arndb.de,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
	schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, dyoung@redhat.com, davem@davemloft.net,
	vgoyal@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 16/16] arm64: kexec_file: add kaslr support
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 17:31:06 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180727083104.GI11258@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50b31f17-fc85-aa72-06f5-d3b62060a91f@arm.com>

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 02:40:49PM +0100, James Morse wrote:
> Hi Akashi,
> 
> On 24/07/18 07:57, AKASHI Takahiro wrote:
> > Adding "kaslr-seed" to dtb enables triggering kaslr, or kernel virtual
> > address randomization, at secondary kernel boot.
> 
> Hmm, there are three things that get moved by CONFIG_RANDOMIZE_BASE. The kernel
> physical placement when booted via the EFIstub, the kernel-text VAs and the
> location of memory in the linear-map region. Adding the kaslr-seed only does the
> last two.

Yes, but I think that I and Mark has agreed that "kaslr" meant
"virtual" randomisation, not including "physical" randomisation.

> This means the physical placement of the new kernel is predictable from
> /proc/iomem ... but this also tells you the physical placement of the current
> kernel, so I don't think this is a problem.
> 
> 
> > We always do this as it will have no harm on kaslr-incapable kernel.
> 
> > We don't have any "switch" to turn off this feature directly, but still
> > can suppress it by passing "nokaslr" as a kernel boot argument.
> 
> 
> > diff --git a/arch/arm64/kernel/machine_kexec_file.c b/arch/arm64/kernel/machine_kexec_file.c
> > index 7356da5a53d5..47a4fbd0dc34 100644
> > --- a/arch/arm64/kernel/machine_kexec_file.c
> > +++ b/arch/arm64/kernel/machine_kexec_file.c
> > @@ -158,6 +160,12 @@ static int setup_dtb(struct kimage *image,
> 
> Don't you need to reserve some space in the area you vmalloc()d for the DT?

No, I don't think so.
All the data to be loaded are temporarily saved in kexec buffers,
which will eventually be copied to target locations in machine_kexec
(arm64_relocate_new_kernel, which, unlike its name, will handle
not only kernel but also other data as well).

> 
> > +	/* add kaslr-seed */
> > +	get_random_bytes(&value, sizeof(value));
> 
> What happens if the crng isn't ready?
> 
> It looks like this will print a warning that these random-bytes aren't really up
> to standard, but the new kernel doesn't know this happened.
> 
> crng_ready() isn't exposed, all we could do now is
> wait_for_random_bytes(), but that may wait forever because we do this
> unconditionally.
> 
> I'd prefer to leave this feature until we can check crng_ready(), and skip
> adding a dodgy-seed if its not-ready. This avoids polluting the next-kernel's
> entropy pool.

OK. I would try to follow the same way as Bhupesh's userspace patch
does for kaslr-seed:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/kexec/2018-April/020564.html

  if (not found kaslr-seed in 1st kernel's dtb)
     don't care; go ahead
  else
     if (current kaslr-seed != 0)
        error
     if (crng_ready()) ; FIXME, it's a local macro
        get_random_bytes(non-blocking)
        set new kaslr-seed
     else
        error

> 
> > +	ret = fdt_setprop(buf, nodeoffset, "kaslr-seed", &value, sizeof(value));
> 
> Nit: It would be nice if this string were in a header file somewhere, to void
> future refactoring typos.

OK. (but in this file for now as I mentioned in my previous reply)

Thanks,
-Takahiro AKASHI

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> James

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Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-24  6:57 [PATCH v12 00/16] arm64: kexec: add kexec_file_load() support AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 01/16] asm-generic: add kexec_file_load system call to unistd.h AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-26 13:35   ` James Morse
2018-07-26 13:35     ` James Morse
2018-07-26 13:35     ` James Morse
2018-07-27  5:22     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-27  5:22       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-27  5:22       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 02/16] kexec_file: make kexec_image_post_load_cleanup_default() global AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 03/16] s390, kexec_file: drop arch_kexec_mem_walk() AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  9:23   ` Philipp Rudo
2018-07-24  9:23     ` Philipp Rudo
2018-07-24  9:23     ` Philipp Rudo
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 04/16] powerpc, kexec_file: factor out memblock-based arch_kexec_walk_mem() AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-25 12:31   ` Dave Young
2018-07-25 12:31     ` Dave Young
2018-07-25 12:31     ` Dave Young
2018-07-27  5:25     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-27  5:25       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-27  5:25       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 05/16] kexec_file: kexec_walk_memblock() only walks a dedicated region at kdump AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 06/16] of/fdt: add helper functions for handling properties AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 07/16] arm64: add image head flag definitions AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 08/16] arm64: cpufeature: add MMFR0 helper functions AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 09/16] arm64: enable KEXEC_FILE config AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 10/16] arm64: kexec_file: load initrd and device-tree AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-26 13:34   ` James Morse
2018-07-26 13:34     ` James Morse
2018-07-26 13:34     ` James Morse
2018-07-27  5:37     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-27  5:37       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-27  5:37       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 11/16] arm64: kexec_file: allow for loading Image-format kernel AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 12/16] arm64: kexec_file: add crash dump support AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-26 13:36   ` James Morse
2018-07-26 13:36     ` James Morse
2018-07-26 13:36     ` James Morse
2018-07-27  7:00     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-27  7:00       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-27  7:00       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 13/16] arm64: kexec_file: invoke the kernel without purgatory AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-26 13:36   ` James Morse
2018-07-26 13:36     ` James Morse
2018-07-26 13:36     ` James Morse
2018-07-27  7:22     ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-27  7:22       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-27  7:22       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 14/16] include: pe.h: remove message[] from mz header definition AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 15/16] arm64: kexec_file: add kernel signature verification support AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-26 13:39   ` James Morse
2018-07-26 13:39     ` James Morse
2018-07-26 13:39     ` James Morse
2018-07-24  6:57 ` [PATCH v12 16/16] arm64: kexec_file: add kaslr support AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-24  6:57   ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-26 13:40   ` James Morse
2018-07-26 13:40     ` James Morse
2018-07-26 13:40     ` James Morse
2018-07-27  8:31     ` AKASHI Takahiro [this message]
2018-07-27  8:31       ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-07-27  8:31       ` AKASHI Takahiro
     [not found]       ` <405b6708-4518-d81e-3938-39032c2b487e@arm.com>
2018-07-27  9:28         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-07-27  9:28           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-07-27  9:28           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-08-01  7:57         ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-08-01  7:57           ` AKASHI Takahiro
2018-08-01  7:57           ` AKASHI Takahiro

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